On Wednesday, 8 June 2022 at 06:56:50 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
> On 6/7/2022 5:47 AM, forkit wrote:
>> Instead, it deliberately, intentionally, proudly, leaves this important aspect in software development to the programmer(s).
>
> Yeah, well, the alternative is "friend" classes, which are an abomination.
>
> The unit of encapsulation in D is the module, not the class.

But the abomination, is what you already have ;-)

Cause *everything* is a friend. It can't get much worse than that.

But wait, it does get worse ...  you (the programmer) got no say it.

You cannot unfriend in D (except through a series of silly workarounds, that even then, just give you 'the appearance' that you've unfriended - they still your friends, should they ever show up on the scene.

You got not say it. That's the real 'abomination'.

On Wednesday, 8 June 2022 at 07:04:48 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote:
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> Imagine if you took features away from Haskell, clearly D must have everything Haskell has!  Not to mention Rust or Php!!
>
> Proof failed, but your line of reasoning does explain why D @is @bleeding @from @1000 @well-meaning @cuts...

Sorry, but what percentage of programmers in the world programmer in Haskell?

Is that even a language? ;-)

Compare that to those that programmer in C++, Java, and C#.

i.e. The vast majority of the worlds programmers have compile time enforcement of the hidden part of their abstraction. If it provides little or no benefit, why is it there?

if 'private(this)' is too much for the D community to handle, then ya'll got bigger problems for sure ;-)

On Wednesday, 8 June 2022 at 07:03:10 UTC, zjh wrote:
> On Wednesday, 8 June 2022 at 06:45:24 UTC, forkit wrote:
>
> You need to submit `bugzilla`, or you need a `dip`.
> Or convince the stubborn Walter.

Life is too short ;-)

Walter almost certainly gets the last say in this particular matter anyway - and I'm certainly not ignorant of this fact ;-)

On the otherhand, my C# compiler, my C++ compiler, and my Java compiler, all already does this, for me.

So the case for using D for anything other than simple console apps, at least in my case, is diminished.

I don't want to be told I have to do the one-class-per-file thing, and I don't want to have to go off and write a linter/static-analyser. I just want the compiler to ensure my code is doing what I expected it to be doing, and not tell me, 'bugger off, go do it yourself'.

On Wednesday, 8 June 2022 at 07:14:32 UTC, forkit wrote:

>
> Is that even a language? ;-)

Haskell is The Language!