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June 10, 2011 Available D2 implementation on Windows besides DMD? | ||||
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Hi, I'm looking to try out D2 after reading Andrei's D Programming book. What implementations are available besides DMD for the windows platform? I've looked at both GDC and LLVM-LDC but was unable to get either of them to work at least for version 2 of the language. The precompiled binaries on the gdc page seems to be for gdc version 1 of the language. LDC doesn't have any precompiled binaries at all for windows and my attempts to build it has so far failed. Any recommendations and advice on this is appreciated. I'm mainly interested in trying all these alternate implementations to see how well they can optimize code. |
June 10, 2011 Re: Available D2 implementation on Windows besides DMD? | ||||
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Posted in reply to Victor T. | Am 10.06.2011 10:46, schrieb Victor T.: > Hi, > > I'm looking to try out D2 after reading Andrei's D Programming book. What implementations are available besides DMD for the windows platform? > > I've looked at both GDC and LLVM-LDC but was unable to get either of them to work at least for version 2 of the language. The precompiled binaries on the gdc page seems to be for gdc version 1 of the language. LDC doesn't have any precompiled binaries at all for windows and my attempts to build it has so far failed. > > Any recommendations and advice on this is appreciated. I'm mainly interested in trying all these alternate implementations to see how well they can optimize code. Are you aware that the new official GDC page is https://bitbucket.org/goshawk/gdc/wiki/Home ? The download page contains snapshots for D2 on windows (and maybe D1 as well). Cheers, - Daniel |
June 10, 2011 Re: Available D2 implementation on Windows besides DMD? | ||||
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Posted in reply to Daniel Gibson | Daniel Gibson <metalcaedes@gmail.com> wrote in news:issm47$10ia$4@digitalmars.com: > > Are you aware that the new official GDC page is > https://bitbucket.org/goshawk/gdc/wiki/Home ? > The download page contains snapshots for D2 on windows (and maybe D1 > as well). > > Cheers, > - Daniel > Yes that was the page I was talking about. Specifically, the precompiled binaries here: https://bitbucket.org/goshawk/gdc/downloads It appears to work with version 1 of the D language spec. For example, when I compile the following under gdc I get an error that writeln is undefined: import std.stdio; void main() { writeln("quicktest\n"); } However, changing it to writefln compiles and runs fine. Additionally, I also tried passing in -fversion=2 to gdc to which it complains it's invalid. So it would appear the precompiled binaries made available do not support D2. |
June 10, 2011 Re: Available D2 implementation on Windows besides DMD? | ||||
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Posted in reply to Victor T. | Am 10.06.2011 11:22, schrieb Victor T.:
> Daniel Gibson <metalcaedes@gmail.com> wrote in news:issm47$10ia$4@digitalmars.com:
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>> Are you aware that the new official GDC page is
>> https://bitbucket.org/goshawk/gdc/wiki/Home ?
>> The download page contains snapshots for D2 on windows (and maybe D1
>> as well).
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>> Cheers,
>> - Daniel
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> Yes that was the page I was talking about. Specifically, the precompiled binaries here:
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> https://bitbucket.org/goshawk/gdc/downloads
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> It appears to work with version 1 of the D language spec. For example, when I compile the following under gdc I get an error that writeln is undefined:
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> import std.stdio;
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> void main()
> {
> writeln("quicktest\n");
> }
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> However, changing it to writefln compiles and runs fine. Additionally, I also tried passing in -fversion=2 to gdc to which it complains it's invalid.
>
> So it would appear the precompiled binaries made available do not support D2.
Strange. I haven't got a windows box, but in the archive there's also a libphobos2 and include/ also contains a d2 dir, so I thought D2 was supported.
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June 10, 2011 Re: Available D2 implementation on Windows besides DMD? | ||||
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Posted in reply to Victor T. | On 10/06/2011 09:46, Victor T. wrote: > Hi, > > I'm looking to try out D2 after reading Andrei's D Programming book. What > implementations are available besides DMD for the windows platform? > > I've looked at both GDC and LLVM-LDC but was unable to get either of them > to work at least for version 2 of the language. The precompiled binaries on > the gdc page seems to be for gdc version 1 of the language. LDC doesn't > have any precompiled binaries at all for windows and my attempts to build > it has so far failed. > > Any recommendations and advice on this is appreciated. I'm mainly > interested in trying all these alternate implementations to see how well > they can optimize code. Your best option for D on Windows is dmd right now. It is implicitly more up to date than GDC/LDC (they both depend on the dmd front end, so there will inevitably be some amount of lag). GDC has D2 support and Windows support, I don't believe it offers pre-compiled binaries for D2 on Windows yet though. It should do in the near future, as gdc is actively developed, and people have been taking an interest in Windows support recently. LDC has alpha, maybe beta support for D2, and is behind dmd releases. It uses the LLVM backend, which doesn't support exceptions on Windows currently, so it's not much use. Note that the next release of LLVM will have support for exceptions on 64-bit Windows, no work has been done for 32 bit though, my guess is that will follow. As for how well they optimize code, dmd has a state of the art optimizer from the 90s, or there abouts - the code it generates is pretty speedy, it has some obvious short comings though (I believe floating point and inlining are lacking, as well as some more modern optimizations). GDC optimizes code almost as well as GCC, there are a few notable cases where it doesn't though - it's a matter of time before these are fixed though, by which time the code generated will be roughly the same speed as the equivalent C/C++. LDC optimizes code roughly as well as clang, and has some D specific optimizations too (something which GDC is lacking, and DMD too). As far as I'm aware these are nothing major though. -- Robert http://octarineparrot.com/ |
June 10, 2011 Re: Available D2 implementation on Windows besides DMD? | ||||
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Posted in reply to Robert Clipsham | Am 10.06.2011, 14:01 Uhr, schrieb Robert Clipsham <robert@octarineparrot.com>:
> LDC has alpha, maybe beta support for D2, and is behind dmd releases. It uses the LLVM backend, which doesn't support exceptions on Windows currently, so it's not much use. Note that the next release of LLVM will have support for exceptions on 64-bit Windows, no work has been done for 32 bit though, my guess is that will follow.
Woot! That's great news, Win64 support is all I need :)
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June 10, 2011 Re: Available D2 implementation on Windows besides DMD? | ||||
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Posted in reply to Robert Clipsham | Am 10.06.2011, 14:01 Uhr, schrieb Robert Clipsham <robert@octarineparrot.com>: > Note that the next release of LLVM will have support for exceptions on 64-bit Windows, no work has been done for 32 bit though, my guess is that will follow. What is your source? I could only find this changeset which adds SEH parsing and AST support to Clang: https://llvm.org/viewvc/llvm-project?view=rev&sortby=date&revision=130366 |
June 10, 2011 Re: Available D2 implementation on Windows besides DMD? | ||||
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Posted in reply to Victor T. | On 6/10/11, Victor T. <gmane.greatwolf@mamber.net> wrote:
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> void main()
> {
> writeln("quicktest\n");
> }
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> However, changing it to writefln compiles and runs fine. Additionally, I also tried passing in -fversion=2 to gdc to which it complains it's invalid.
gdc -v2 main.d
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June 10, 2011 Re: Available D2 implementation on Windows besides DMD? | ||||
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Posted in reply to Trass3r | On 10/06/2011 15:34, Trass3r wrote: > Am 10.06.2011, 14:01 Uhr, schrieb Robert Clipsham > <robert@octarineparrot.com>: >> Note that the next release of LLVM will have support for exceptions on >> 64-bit Windows, no work has been done for 32 bit though, my guess is >> that will follow. > > What is your source? > I could only find this changeset which adds SEH parsing and AST support > to Clang: > https://llvm.org/viewvc/llvm-project?view=rev&sortby=date&revision=130366 There are a lot of other commits for it, and some mailing list entries, you can find a selection here: Commits: http://goo.gl/efoVp http://goo.gl/iXGlT http://goo.gl/qe9u1 Mailing list entries: http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/pipermail/llvmdev/2011-June/040442.html -- Robert http://octarineparrot.com/ |
June 10, 2011 Re: Available D2 implementation on Windows besides DMD? | ||||
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Posted in reply to Robert Clipsham | "Robert Clipsham" <robert@octarineparrot.com> wrote in message news:ist1af$tbj$1@digitalmars.com... > > As for how well they optimize code, dmd has a state of the art optimizer from the 90s, or there abouts - the code it generates is pretty speedy, it has some obvious short comings though (I believe floating point and inlining are lacking, as well as some more modern optimizations). > I'm pretty sure DMD does inlining. After all, it *does* have an "-inline" commandlne flag. My understanding is that it just doesn't always inline everything it could. |
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