On Fri, 10 May 2013 11:45:21 +0100, JN <666total@wp.pl> wrote:

> Can't wait for Manu's slides/video to come up :)

I want them all!  :D

> I have to disagree with some of the points in the keynote though. The part with "algorithm in D" example, I don't know but map(a => a.idup) isn't exactly obvious.

Agreed.  This is a bit of a wart IMO.

> About the scope vs no-scope - it'd be interesting to see how try-finally version looks like in comparison.

Have you seen Andre's slides comparing these.. does anyone have a link?

> About the IDE discussion near the end of keynote - I know a lot of you people are happy just using Vim/Emacs + command line compiling, but having a proper IDE is a big part in language adoption nowadays. I can't speak for VisualD and MonoD, but I've heard they are nice, I am using DDT which is also good, although debugging on windows with DMD isn't that fun. A good example would be Visual Basic 6.0 - everyone seems to hate it, yet a lot of people (mostly non-programmers) use it to make apps because in few clicks you can make a GUI application. Same would apply to Java too - language isn't the best there is, and coding Java without Netbeans/Eclipse/IntelliJ would be a new dimension of pain but with those IDEs writing stuff is 'fun'.

I think Walters point about not making a language require an IDE to add boilerplate is a good one, the boilerplate itself, and the fact the language requires it is the real issue, not whether an IDE is used to generate it.

As for IDE's in general, I use MSVC pretty much predominantly and when doing GUI development in C# it's RAD :p  Doing the same thing with a text editor would be painful.  The boilerplate in this case is the skeleton/structure for the GUI library, not the language, so it's a separate boilerplate issue, and not one that good language design can obviate.

That, plus all the other nice features of an IDE - many of which can be synthesized by an editor with scripting support, are the reasons to use one.  Integrated debugging, etc.

> All in all, great to see D community getting together to discuss and share stuff =)

Wish I could have made the trip too :(

R

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On 05/08/2013 05:41 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>
> VOTE UP!!!
>
> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1dyinq/dconf_2013_opening_keynote_by_walter_bright/

I have to laugh at the reddit id: "1dying"

:)

On Fri, 10 May 2013 15:00:44 +0200, Jeff Nowakowski <jeff@dilacero.org> wrote:

> On 05/08/2013 05:41 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>>
>> VOTE UP!!!
>>
>> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1dyinq/dconf_2013_opening_keynote_by_walter_bright/
>
> I have to laugh at the reddit id: "1dying"
>
> :)

1dyinq, btw

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On 05/10/2013 11:06 AM, Simen Kjaeraas wrote:
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> 1dyinq, btw

Right, "q" not "g", thanks. That's what I get for not copying and pasting. I still find it amusing, though. I like to think there's a ghost in the machine having fun with us.

On 5/10/2013 3:45 AM, JN wrote:
> Can't wait for Manu's slides/video to come up :)
>
> I have to disagree with some of the points in the keynote though. The part with
> "algorithm in D" example, I don't know but map(a => a.idup) isn't exactly
> obvious.

You're right, that one isn't.


> About the scope vs no-scope - it'd be interesting to see how
> try-finally version looks like in comparison.

http://dlang.org/exception-safe.html

On 05/09/2013 11:35 AM, Rob T wrote:
> On Thursday, 9 May 2013 at 07:12:42 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
>> On Thu, 09 May 2013 08:46:01 +0200
>> "Rob T" <alanb@ucora.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Here's another FF addon for video downloading (and files too), it works for me quite well. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/video-downloadhelper/
>>
>> Yea, that's the one I've been using. Fantastic add-on, and one of the reasons I hate to venture outside my FF ;)
> 
> I absolutely cannot use any other browser because of this addon https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-tab/
> 
> Don't use it if you hate FF, otherwise you'll be stuck with FF until some genius on the dev team finally figures out that the horizontal tab system is a really dumb idea.
> 
> --rt

I think you've just ruined me.