On 2/23/2018 8:41 PM, H. S. Teoh wrote:
> +1. In the old days, it was called "bait and switch". After people reply
> to an initial post, edit it and change it into something else
> completely. It was one of the trolls' favorite tools.

Yeah, the immutability of NNTP posts is a feature, not a bug.

It also has the effect of encouraging people to pause a moment before hitting [Send], which is definitely a good thing.

On Saturday, 24 February 2018 at 20:29:34 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
>
> Yeah, the immutability of NNTP posts is a feature, not a bug.

but aren't git changes essentially immutable too?
as long is there is a history of the changes, there is no problem with changes.

I'm really only interested in the correct version of the persons intention, not some multitude of changes.

> It also has the effect of encouraging people to pause a moment before hitting [Send], which is definitely a good thing.

yeah right. a good thing if we were robots instead of humans.

NNTP is not the future..it's the past.

On 25/02/2018 2:31 PM, psychoticRabbit wrote:
> NNTP is not the future..it's the past.

Good news, mailing lists will exist long after we're all dead and gone.
Right along with those stupid little phpbb installs.

You'd have to transition some very massive and important projects off of it and they are significantly harder to use than DFeed is.

On 02/24/2018 08:31 PM, psychoticRabbit wrote:
> 
> NNTP is not the future..it's the past.

Uhh, so? This isn't fasion. Merit matters, not fad-compliance.

On Sunday, 25 February 2018 at 01:49:05 UTC, rikki cattermole wrote:
> On 25/02/2018 2:31 PM, psychoticRabbit wrote:
>> NNTP is not the future..it's the past.
>
> Good news, mailing lists will exist long after we're all dead and gone.

We don't actually die, cause every atom in our body is billions of years old.

Explaining that, is almost as hard as explaining why people still use NNTP.

On 2/25/18 5:03 AM, psychoticRabbit wrote:
> On Sunday, 25 February 2018 at 01:49:05 UTC, rikki cattermole wrote:
>> On 25/02/2018 2:31 PM, psychoticRabbit wrote:
>>> NNTP is not the future..it's the past.
>>
>> Good news, mailing lists will exist long after we're all dead and gone.
> 
> We don't actually die, cause every atom in our body is billions of years old.
> 
> Explaining that, is almost as hard as explaining why people still use NNTP.
> 

My atoms are older. Older atoms prefer NNTP.

-Steve.

On Saturday, 24 February 2018 at 19:30:52 UTC, Patrick Schluter wrote:
> On Saturday, 24 February 2018 at 18:46:50 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
>> On 2/24/18 7:00 AM, Patrick Schluter wrote:
>>> On Saturday, 24 February 2018 at 04:41:44 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>> 
>>> Last week I saw a video showing how a forum was shutdown because it was alledgedly full of racists. The thread where there were "racist comments" was in fact one where the initial question was ok, the answers absolutely nice but then the troll changed the initial post to something sinister and all the positive answers looked like agreement to the racist slur of the first comment. It was then demonstrated that the troll was a journalist from a big mainstream media. If I find the article again I will give a link (it's in french though, might not interest that much).
>>> 
>>> 
>>
>> Wow, that's insane. I would be interested in seeing it.
>>
> It's in the history of my work PC, may be I will find it on monday.

I'm french, i'm interested to know what the hell you talked about. Google search gave nothing. Do you referred to the journalist who was harassed by people on a gamer forum ?

On Tuesday, 27 February 2018 at 07:33:05 UTC, Basile B. wrote:
> On Saturday, 24 February 2018 at 19:30:52 UTC, Patrick Schluter wrote:
>> On Saturday, 24 February 2018 at 18:46:50 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
>>> On 2/24/18 7:00 AM, Patrick Schluter wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>
>>> Wow, that's insane. I would be interested in seeing it.
>>>
>> It's in the history of my work PC, may be I will find it on monday.
>
> I'm french, i'm interested to know what the hell you talked about. Google search gave nothing. Do you referred to the journalist who was harassed by people on a gamer forum ?

No, it was not the Nadia Daam thing, she is probably too incompetent to pull that trick off.
As for the link, I checked but haven't found it. It was part of a longer youtube video but I don't remember which. Sorry.

H. S. Teoh wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:01:44PM +0000, bachmeier via Digitalmars-d wrote:
>> On Friday, 23 February 2018 at 17:56:29 UTC, Biocyberman wrote:
>>> Speaking on behalf of myself, after additional inputs from many
>>> excellent and respectful users in this 'forum'. I can say that, on
>>> the scale of 1 (least geeky) to 10 (most geeky), I would put
>>> forum.dlang.org to the level 8 of geekiness required to use the
>>> forum. It may be natural for long-time users, but for newcomers, it
>>> is very challenging.
> 
> Hold it right there.
> 
> You're saying that it's a bad thing for a *programming language* forum
> to have a high geekiness rating?  Implying that *programmers* (y'know,
> ostensibly the target audience of said forum) are not geeky enough to
> know how to operate a geeky forum?
> 
> Whoa.  I think I need to sit down.
> 
I don't mean to go into the good vs bad direction. What I was saying is that it is hard to get comfortable and use the forum the most effective/convenient ways. The forum should not be a technical barrier for members to communicate conveniently.

With that said, I am glad that I put up the questions and got a bunch of useful tips to use the forums. FYI, the most useful one is to install a NNTP client and use the 'forum' the way it is, a NNTP server with a web interface.
> 
>> I have to admit that I don't understand this. I don't think it would
>> be possible for it to be simpler to use this forum. No registration
>> needed, plain text messages, just click "Reply" and type in your
>> message. Additional features would make it more complicated.
> 
> Well, obviously non-programmers (or should I say, "non-geeky
> programmers", whatever that might mean) have every right to be able to
> operate a forum dedicated for a programming language without any undue
> handicaps, so we have to make concessions on the level of "geekiness"
> required to participate in the programming language discussions that
> take place here, such that said discussions would be more accessible to
> said non-programmers (or "non-geeky" programmers, whoever they may be).
>
> P.S. I think my geekiness-11 brain just blew several fuses and 2
> transistors.  Please excuse me while I take a break to go off to the
> brain shop to replace them. Maybe I'll pick up an oxymoron compensation
> diode on the way as well.
> 
We need to take a break sometimes, too much geekiness everywhere slows us down. At least that my experience.
>  > T
> 

On 02/28/2018 12:48 PM, Vang Le wrote:
> I don't mean to go into the good vs bad direction. What I was saying is that it is hard to get comfortable and use the forum the most effective/convenient ways. The forum should not be a technical barrier for members to communicate conveniently.
> 
> With that said, I am glad that I put up the questions and got a bunch of useful tips to use the forums. FYI, the most useful one is to install a NNTP client and use the 'forum' the way it is, a NNTP server with a web interface.

Speaking of which, and I apologize if this is inappropriate context, but has anyone found a good Android NNTP reader for this? I wasn't really able to find much when I looked, so I just use DFeed when I'm on the go, which is great (fantastic, really!) as far as web interfaces go, but a proper native reader would be really nice if anyone has any good tips!