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Laravel for DLang? I want create it!
May 18, 2021
zoujiaqing
May 18, 2021
Imperatorn
May 18, 2021
zjh
May 19, 2021
zoujiaqing
May 18, 2021
aberba
May 22, 2021
zoujiaqing
May 23, 2021
russhy
May 23, 2021
Adam D. Ruppe
May 18, 2021
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Laravel is the most popular web framework in PHP. It is easy to use and easy to maintain.

We currently have hunt framework as a web framework, but in the process of using it, users need to learn more unique usages. We hope to re design a new web framework based on laravel's design method. So that more people can simply and quickly use D programming language to develop web application server and restapi server.

At the same time, it is convenient for more PHP developers to use D programming language for web application development.

I'd like to hear your suggestions and expectations for such a web framework.

May 18, 2021
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On Tuesday, 18 May 2021 at 10:09:43 UTC, zoujiaqing wrote:

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Laravel is the most popular web framework in PHP. It is easy to use and easy to maintain.

We currently have hunt framework as a web framework, but in the process of using it, users need to learn more unique usages. We hope to re design a new web framework based on laravel's design method. So that more people can simply and quickly use D programming language to develop web application server and restapi server.

At the same time, it is convenient for more PHP developers to use D programming language for web application development.

I'd like to hear your suggestions and expectations for such a web framework.

Interesting. Just a quick question. Have you tried Diamond?

May 18, 2021
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jia you!

May 18, 2021
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On Tuesday, 18 May 2021 at 10:09:43 UTC, zoujiaqing wrote:

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Laravel is the most popular web framework in PHP. It is easy to use and easy to maintain.

We currently have hunt framework as a web framework, but in the process of using it, users need to learn more unique usages. We hope to re design a new web framework based on laravel's design method. So that more people can simply and quickly use D programming language to develop web application server and restapi server.

At the same time, it is convenient for more PHP developers to use D programming language for web application development.

I'd like to hear your suggestions and expectations for such a web framework.

I happen to be using Laravel more these days at work and I thought Hunt looks quite similar. What I didn't quite like were:

  1. Passing data to the view in hunt isn't as clean as Laravel's way of passing data to blade

  2. Unlike eloquent (as used in Laravel), the database module of hunt felt too cumbersome to use... too much boilerplate.

  3. setting up routes and config in hunt is done with .ini file. Personally world prefer doing that in D code. In Laravel, its al done in PHP code.

  4. Great web docs. That's one reason why I got up to speed with Laravel quickly. The docs is just soo good.

That's pretty much what comes to mind... simplicity, elegance and consistency. Newest version of Laravel is much more simplified so that should be a goal.

May 19, 2021
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On Tuesday, 18 May 2021 at 15:41:39 UTC, zjh wrote:

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jia you!

xie xie !

May 22, 2021
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On Tuesday, 18 May 2021 at 20:55:31 UTC, aberba wrote:

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On Tuesday, 18 May 2021 at 10:09:43 UTC, zoujiaqing wrote:

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Laravel is the most popular web framework in PHP. It is easy to use and easy to maintain.

We currently have hunt framework as a web framework, but in the process of using it, users need to learn more unique usages. We hope to re design a new web framework based on laravel's design method. So that more people can simply and quickly use D programming language to develop web application server and restapi server.

At the same time, it is convenient for more PHP developers to use D programming language for web application development.

I'd like to hear your suggestions and expectations for such a web framework.

I happen to be using Laravel more these days at work and I thought Hunt looks quite similar. What I didn't quite like were:

  1. Passing data to the view in hunt isn't as clean as Laravel's way of passing data to blade

  2. Unlike eloquent (as used in Laravel), the database module of hunt felt too cumbersome to use... too much boilerplate.

  3. setting up routes and config in hunt is done with .ini file. Personally world prefer doing that in D code. In Laravel, its al done in PHP code.

  4. Great web docs. That's one reason why I got up to speed with Laravel quickly. The docs is just soo good.

That's pretty much what comes to mind... simplicity, elegance and consistency. Newest version of Laravel is much more simplified so that should be a goal.

Thanks!

  1. Hunt framework uses the syntax of twig template engine. At present, blade is only used for scripting languages, such as PHP and JSP.

  2. Eloquent is much simpler than entity. In this aspect, we will study the usage of eloquent and see how to implement it in D language.

  3. If the configuration is written in D language, it will not be modified after compilation.

  4. Laravel's documentation is really great, we will be like laravel's documentation!

May 23, 2021
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On Tuesday, 18 May 2021 at 10:09:43 UTC, zoujiaqing wrote:

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Laravel is the most popular web framework in PHP. It is easy to use and easy to maintain.

We currently have hunt framework as a web framework, but in the process of using it, users need to learn more unique usages. We hope to re design a new web framework based on laravel's design method. So that more people can simply and quickly use D programming language to develop web application server and restapi server.

At the same time, it is convenient for more PHP developers to use D programming language for web application development.

I'd like to hear your suggestions and expectations for such a web framework.

Focus should be on compilation time, i tried both vibe/hunt, and they suffer from horrible iteration time because of their massive use of std/templates

https://github.com/huntlabs/hunt-http/issues/20

Have to compete with GO and their fast iteration time

For information, my (personal) project without std import fully recompile in 0.5 seconds, so it is possible with D to achieve faster iteration time than GO, wich will be something worth mentioning for marketing purposes

May 23, 2021
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On 5/23/21 3:37 PM, russhy wrote:
> On Tuesday, 18 May 2021 at 10:09:43 UTC, zoujiaqing wrote:
>> [Laravel](https://laravel.com/) is the most popular web framework in PHP. It is easy to use and easy to maintain.
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>> We currently have [hunt framework](https://github.com/huntlabs/hunt-framework) as a web framework, but in the process of using it, users need to learn more unique usages. We hope to re design a new web framework based on laravel's design method. So that more people can simply and quickly use D programming language to develop web application server and restapi server.
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>> At the same time, it is convenient for more PHP developers to use D programming language for web application development.
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>> I'd like to hear your suggestions and expectations for such a web framework.
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> Focus should be on compilation time, i tried both vibe/hunt, and they suffer from horrible iteration time because of their massive use of std/templates

Yes, compilation time is a huge problem with introspection-based web development.

I have heard earlier that diamond is better, but I've never tried it.

I have vague plans to make my own framework with a focus on compilation and development speed. I think there are ways to make it work. Essentially, I would make a "development" config, and a "release" config, where the former foregoes compile-time duck typing and compile-time generation of HTML, and the latter uses the same code but uses lots of introspection and inlining to optimize the hell out of it. With D I think it's eminently possible.

> For information, my (personal) project without std import fully recompile in 0.5 seconds, so it is possible with D to achieve faster iteration time than GO, wich will be something worth mentioning for marketing purposes

Excellent!

-Steve
May 23, 2021
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On Sunday, 23 May 2021 at 20:47:45 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
> Yes, compilation time is a huge problem with introspection-based web development.

Yes, but some things are worse than others.

My demo LMS compiles from scratch in 2.5 seconds. If you lose some of the features like the runtime script interpreter, you can get that down to 1.5 seconds... but the runtime script interpreter is overall a win because it lets you avoid some rebuilds entirely.

If you abandon the introspection you get down to about 0.8s but I think that cost is worth it.