On Friday, 29 May 2020 at 13:44:06 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:
> So, yes, it really is both. I don't see a problem in the process now, but I'm open to making changes that are in my purview if someone convinces me there *is* a problem or has ideas on how to improve it.

There it is. So it's not both. If someone has to convince you there's a problem then you are against a fixing it.

Please just stop. PR babble isn't going to smooth over this issue unless you are willing to address it.

On Friday, 29 May 2020 at 14:31:48 UTC, Gregory wrote:
> On Friday, 29 May 2020 at 13:44:06 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:
>> So, yes, it really is both. I don't see a problem in the process now, but I'm open to making changes that are in my purview if someone convinces me there *is* a problem or has ideas on how to improve it.
>
> There it is. So it's not both. If someone has to convince you there's a problem then you are against a fixing it.
>
> Please just stop. PR babble isn't going to smooth over this issue unless you are willing to address it.

Given his definition of the "DIP process" I believe Mike has addressed it.

I would like to hear what you think is wrong with the DIP process as he defines it.  IOW what is wrong with the overall process up to but not including the decision making?

I completely agree that the decision making framework is sub-optimal, and that this definition of the "DIP process" is counter intuitive.  If you're talking about either of those, please clarify.

On Friday, 29 May 2020 at 13:12:22 UTC, Gregory wrote:
> So there's no problem with the process, but you aren't against fixing the process? Which is it?

So it's not enough that you get called out on getting your facts wrong. But now you're mixing up "changing a process" with "fixing a process"?

Okay then.

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On Friday, 29 May 2020 at 14:31:48 UTC, Gregory wrote:

>
> There it is. So it's not both. If someone has to convince you there's a problem then you are against a fixing it.
>
> Please just stop. PR babble isn't going to smooth over this issue unless you are willing to address it.

I really don't understand your hostility. Nor do I understand what your issue is at this point. At any rate, this is going nowhere so I'm done with this conversation. Happy to discuss the DIP process with you at a later date if you can do so like a rational adult.

On Friday, 29 May 2020 at 14:50:01 UTC, Ethan wrote:
> On Friday, 29 May 2020 at 13:12:22 UTC, Gregory wrote:
>> So there's no problem with the process, but you aren't against fixing the process? Which is it?
>
> So it's not enough that you get called out on getting your facts wrong. But now you're mixing up "changing a process" with "fixing a process"?
>
> Okay then.
>
> https://imgflip.com/i/439rjd
>
> https://imgflip.com/i/439rno
>
> https://imgflip.com/i/439rvw
>
> https://imgflip.com/i/439rxp
>
> https://imgflip.com/i/439so0

TIL changing a gear in a transmission isn't fixing it. Thanks.

On Friday, 29 May 2020 at 15:26:03 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:
> On Friday, 29 May 2020 at 14:31:48 UTC, Gregory wrote:
>
>>
>> There it is. So it's not both. If someone has to convince you there's a problem then you are against a fixing it.
>>
>> Please just stop. PR babble isn't going to smooth over this issue unless you are willing to address it.
>
> I really don't understand your hostility. Nor do I understand what your issue is at this point. At any rate, this is going nowhere so I'm done with this conversation. Happy to discuss the DIP process with you at a later date if you can do so like a rational adult.

I tell my daughter I'm not against her riding my motorbike, she just can't have the keys, touch the clutch, gear shifter, throttle, or handlebars.

The logic you are trying to use isn't rationale. You are trying to deflect the issue to something else.

On Friday, 29 May 2020 at 15:29:46 UTC, Gregory wrote:

> TIL changing a gear in a transmission isn't fixing it. Thanks.

https://imgflip.com/i/439zew

On Friday, 29 May 2020 at 15:34:25 UTC, Ethan wrote:
> On Friday, 29 May 2020 at 15:29:46 UTC, Gregory wrote:
>
>> TIL changing a gear in a transmission isn't fixing it. Thanks.
>
> https://imgflip.com/i/439zew

Never have to stop making memes if you didn't understand the meaning in the first place.

On Friday, 29 May 2020 at 15:36:41 UTC, Gregory wrote:
> On Friday, 29 May 2020 at 15:34:25 UTC, Ethan wrote:
>> On Friday, 29 May 2020 at 15:29:46 UTC, Gregory wrote:
>>
>>> TIL changing a gear in a transmission isn't fixing it. Thanks.
>>
>> https://imgflip.com/i/439zew
>
> Never have to stop making memes if you didn't understand the meaning in the first place.

https://imgflip.com/i/43a0eg

Go troll some other corner of the internet. They have plenty supplies of the following items elsewhere:

https://i.imgur.com/T1hWvoE.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/NA4zQUs.jpg

On Friday, 29 May 2020 at 15:43:27 UTC, Ethan wrote:
> On Friday, 29 May 2020 at 15:36:41 UTC, Gregory wrote:
>> On Friday, 29 May 2020 at 15:34:25 UTC, Ethan wrote:
>>> On Friday, 29 May 2020 at 15:29:46 UTC, Gregory wrote:
>>>
>>>> TIL changing a gear in a transmission isn't fixing it. Thanks.
>>>
>>> https://imgflip.com/i/439zew
>>
>> Never have to stop making memes if you didn't understand the meaning in the first place.
>
> https://imgflip.com/i/43a0eg
>
> Go troll some other corner of the internet. They have plenty supplies of the following items elsewhere:
>
> https://i.imgur.com/T1hWvoE.jpg
>
> https://i.imgur.com/NA4zQUs.jpg

Not going to bother clicking meme links, how old are you?

So when he said making changes to the DIP process, you took that as he was willing to rip out, replace, and reconstruct the chasis for something that it wasn't designed for? Such as replacing an automatic gear transmission with an automatic CVT? That's what you got from that? And that's somehow my fault you misunderstood that?