Not sure if anyone knows about this, but Sun's scripting language for DTrace is also called D

http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/howtoguides/dtracehowto.jsp

"See the Solaris Dynamic Tracing Guide at http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-6223 for more details on the D language and DTrace."

Obviously this can cause some confusion, as I was telling my co-worker about D and he said he hated Sun.  It was only my perplexed look of why he would hate Sun and what that had to do with D that we investigated and discovered the dual use of the "D language"

Of course... this may be old news and I'm just out of it :D

Rob

Robert.Atkinson@NOSPAM.gmail.com.NOSPAM wrote:
> Not sure if anyone knows about this, but Sun's scripting language for DTrace is
> also called D
> 
> http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/howtoguides/dtracehowto.jsp
> 
> "See the Solaris Dynamic Tracing Guide at
> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-6223 for more details on the D language and
> DTrace."
> 
> Obviously this can cause some confusion, as I was telling my co-worker about D
> and he said he hated Sun.  It was only my perplexed look of why he would hate
> Sun and what that had to do with D that we investigated and discovered the dual
> use of the "D language"
> 
> Of course... this may be old news and I'm just out of it :D

Sun's naming their product "D" occurred well after our D language was out.

Walter Bright schrieb am 2006-05-26:
> Robert.Atkinson@NOSPAM.gmail.com.NOSPAM wrote:
>> Not sure if anyone knows about this, but Sun's scripting language for DTrace is also called D
>> 
>> http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/howtoguides/dtracehowto.jsp
>> 
>> "See the Solaris Dynamic Tracing Guide at http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-6223 for more details on the D language and DTrace."
>> 
>> Obviously this can cause some confusion, as I was telling my co-worker about D and he said he hated Sun.  It was only my perplexed look of why he would hate Sun and what that had to do with D that we investigated and discovered the dual use of the "D language"
>> 
>> Of course... this may be old news and I'm just out of it :D
>
> Sun's naming their product "D" occurred well after our D language was out.

Sun's point of view: http://forum.sun.com/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=75217

Thomas

Thomas Kuehne wrote:
> Walter Bright schrieb am 2006-05-26:
>> Robert.Atkinson@NOSPAM.gmail.com.NOSPAM wrote:
>>> Not sure if anyone knows about this, but Sun's scripting language for DTrace is
>>> also called D
>>>
>>> http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/howtoguides/dtracehowto.jsp
>>>
>>> "See the Solaris Dynamic Tracing Guide at
>>> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-6223 for more details on the D language and
>>> DTrace."
>>>
>>> Obviously this can cause some confusion, as I was telling my co-worker about D
>>> and he said he hated Sun.  It was only my perplexed look of why he would hate
>>> Sun and what that had to do with D that we investigated and discovered the dual
>>> use of the "D language"
>>>
>>> Of course... this may be old news and I'm just out of it :D
>> Sun's naming their product "D" occurred well after our D language was out.
> 
> Sun's point of view:
> http://forum.sun.com/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=75217

I've heard that before. Sun made no public announcement of their D until late 2003 that I've ever been able to locate, and by then our D was well established. While they're right that the letter "D" cannot be trademarked, they shouldn't have done it.

>> Sun's point of view: http://forum.sun.com/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=75217
>
> I've heard that before. Sun made no public announcement of their D until late 2003 that I've ever been able to locate, and by then our D was well established. While they're right that the letter "D" cannot be trademarked, they shouldn't have done it.

It's probably irrelevant how they have named their scripting language
because I can hardly imagine their product drawing big crowds. Your
D language, however, has made it in the meanwhile into the top 20
at the TIOBE TPCI, leaving Fortran behind and probably catching Ada
next month or so.

Well done!

Walter Bright schrieb:
> I've heard that before. Sun made no public announcement of their D until late 2003 that I've ever been able to locate, and by then our D was well established. While they're right that the letter "D" cannot be trademarked, they shouldn't have done it.

I think we don't have to worry about it, because - as you said - the letter "D" cannot be trademarked. Lets see what "D" is the better "D", and i firmly believe in yours.

Markus Dangl wrote:

> Walter Bright schrieb:
>> I've heard that before. Sun made no public announcement of their D until late 2003 that I've ever been able to locate, and by then our D was well established. While they're right that the letter "D" cannot be trademarked, they shouldn't have done it.
> 
> I think we don't have to worry about it, because - as you said - the letter "D" cannot be trademarked. Lets see what "D" is the better "D", and i firmly believe in yours.

I don't see how "better" applies... SUN's D is a scripting language for DTrace, yes?   If so, then they are not competing (except for the name.)

... I wonder how SUN deals with the google-search issue.

~John

John Demme wrote:
> Markus Dangl wrote:
> 
> 
>>Walter Bright schrieb:
>>
>>>I've heard that before. Sun made no public announcement of their D until
>>>late 2003 that I've ever been able to locate, and by then our D was well
>>>established. While they're right that the letter "D" cannot be
>>>trademarked, they shouldn't have done it.
>>
>>I think we don't have to worry about it, because - as you said - the
>>letter "D" cannot be trademarked. Lets see what "D" is the better "D",
>>and i firmly believe in yours.
> 
> 
> I don't see how "better" applies... SUN's D is a scripting language for
> DTrace, yes?   If so, then they are not competing (except for the name.)
> 
> ... I wonder how SUN deals with the google-search issue.
> 
> ~John

I think in that context one would search for DTrace, not just D.

http://www.google.com/search?q=dtrace

John Demme schrieb:
> Markus Dangl wrote:
> 
>> Walter Bright schrieb:
>>> I've heard that before. Sun made no public announcement of their D until
>>> late 2003 that I've ever been able to locate, and by then our D was well
>>> established. While they're right that the letter "D" cannot be
>>> trademarked, they shouldn't have done it.
>> I think we don't have to worry about it, because - as you said - the
>> letter "D" cannot be trademarked. Lets see what "D" is the better "D",
>> and i firmly believe in yours.
> 
> I don't see how "better" applies... SUN's D is a scripting language for
> DTrace, yes?   If so, then they are not competing (except for the name.)

Sorry i should've explained - i meant "better" like "having a bigger community" or "being the first thing people think of when they hear the name D". I wouldn't compare the languages, too.

Bob:
  D is a successfull derivative of the Eiffel language (developed by
Bertrand Meyers).

Lets here applaud here both the authors of Eiffel and the one of D who could tap and put all in one fairly well designed language the best of Eiffel, and C (I would say the low/bit level features).

... and get rid of the worst of C (possibly the C macros and
macroprocessor?).

When very early in the game, I read the D specifications, I thought it could be a winner.

Now that it is close to this, it could possibly also be a winner in the
embedded system area, but of course it will imply a port to the most
popular processors (ARM, MIPS, OWERPC... and more).
Hopefully the documentation will make this an easy for who whish to endeavor
in this area. (I may be interested).

---
Bob W wrote:

>>> Sun's point of view: http://forum.sun.com/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=75217
>>
>> I've heard that before. Sun made no public announcement of their D until late 2003 that I've ever been able to locate, and by then our D was well established. While they're right that the letter "D" cannot be trademarked, they shouldn't have done it.
> 
> It's probably irrelevant how they have named their scripting language
> because I can hardly imagine their product drawing big crowds. Your
> D language, however, has made it in the meanwhile into the top 20
> at the TIOBE TPCI, leaving Fortran behind and probably catching Ada
> next month or so.
> 
> Well done!