November 07, 2022 Re: Does D have any political goals? | ||||
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 Posted in reply to thebluepandabear | On Mon, Nov 07, 2022 at 05:30:20AM +0000, thebluepandabear via Digitalmars-d wrote: [...] > After that, I began to learn about all of the social justice/political statements that Rust was putting out over the last couple of years in regards to topics unrelated to programming, this made me feel very uncomfortable -- not necessarily because I disagreed with what they were saying (in fact I agreed with most statements), but mostly because I felt like politics shouldn't be involved in a programming language. +1, a programming language is a programming language, politics belong elsewhere. [...] > I am just here asking whether or not D will keep politics out of programming, et cetera, and look -- if D is political then I have absolutely no issue, in fact I respect this decision completely. It's just that when politics gets involved in programming it puts me off instantly, so that's why I asked. [...] In the 10+ years I've been here, I have not been aware of any politics in D other than the politics surrounding the management of D itself. I would also be extremely turned off if politics crept into D. IMO, politics has no place in programming languages. A programming language should remain a technical tool, and not be mired in political statements or positions that have nothing to do with the technical merits of the language itself. T -- Without outlines, life would be pointless. | |||
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 Posted in reply to thebluepandabear | While many of us have strong political opinions, we consider politics to be off-topic and not welcome in the D forums. Just bring professional demeanor, check any non-D agendas at the door, and you're welcome here! | |||
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 Posted in reply to thebluepandabear | On Monday, 7 November 2022 at 05:30:20 UTC, thebluepandabear wrote: >(If this message is off-topic/disallowed I apologize dearly, and please feel free to remove this post if this is the case.) [...] You may use D as long as you support the People's Front of Judea | |||
November 07, 2022 Re: Does D have any political goals? | ||||
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 Posted in reply to Walter Bright | On Monday, 7 November 2022 at 19:22:04 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
> While many of us have strong political opinions, we consider politics to be off-topic and not welcome in the D forums.
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> Just bring professional demeanor, check any non-D agendas at the door, and you're welcome here!
Thanks for answering, fantastic work with the D language as well (you are a legend).
I was mostly asking in terms of whether or not the D foundation itself will talk about any political statements or has any political goals outside of D. Most of the political talk in Rust wasn't really on the forums (because that's common sense) but more in the community, Twitter page, version release notes, community, et cetera.
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November 07, 2022 Re: Does D have any political goals? | ||||
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 Posted in reply to thebluepandabear | On Monday, 7 November 2022 at 22:00:48 UTC, thebluepandabear wrote: >On Monday, 7 November 2022 at 19:22:04 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: >While many of us have strong political opinions, we consider politics to be off-topic and not welcome in the D forums. Just bring professional demeanor, check any non-D agendas at the door, and you're welcome here! Thanks for answering, fantastic work with the D language as well (you are a legend). I was mostly asking in terms of whether or not the D foundation itself will talk about any political statements or has any political goals outside of D. Most of the political talk in Rust wasn't really on the forums (because that's common sense) but more in the community, Twitter page, version release notes, community, et cetera. I've been lurking around here since ~2014 and I don't recall seeing any of that. Without a big corporate driver behind it D development is largely community-driven and I'm under the impression that the community is ideologically diverse enough that a substantial portion of us would get angry if the foundation used D to push a particular narrative or cause. I stay away from Twitter and Reddit though so I wouldn't know what's going on there. Political discussion may occasionally happen during online BeerConfs but that's a different deal. | |||
November 08, 2022 Re: Does D have any political goals? | ||||
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 Posted in reply to thebluepandabear | On Monday, 7 November 2022 at 22:00:48 UTC, thebluepandabear wrote:
> I was mostly asking in terms of whether or not the D foundation itself will talk about any political statements or has any political goals outside of D.
The D Language Foundation has no political agenda. The agenda is 100% D.
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November 08, 2022 Re: Does D have any political goals? | ||||
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Posted in reply to kyle | Great to hear that D is community driven and does not have any political goals, thanks for the answers everyone. Apologies for going a bit off topic as well. I think my question has been answered! I am excited to get into this language as it seems very cool (and underrated). | |||
November 08, 2022 Re: Does D have any political goals? | ||||
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 Posted in reply to thebluepandabear | On Tuesday, 8 November 2022 at 04:14:15 UTC, thebluepandabear wrote: >I think my question has been answered! I am excited to get into this language as it seems very cool (and underrated). I have been following D for over 10 years, Rust, Swift and others as alternatives to C++. D is small, but, coming from C++, it looks like the natural transition to me, expecially for these reasons (that no other language seems to do better):
The only caveat seems to be that the ecosystem needs some love. But it is a perfectly fine alternative for many cases I guess. I think I will try my next project with D to see how it really feels to bring something into life from start to end. | |||
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Posted in reply to German Diago | On Tuesday, 8 November 2022 at 07:57:18 UTC, German Diago wrote: >On Tuesday, 8 November 2022 at 04:14:15 UTC, thebluepandabear wrote: >I think my question has been answered! I am excited to get into this language as it seems very cool (and underrated). I have been following D for over 10 years, Rust, Swift and others as alternatives to C++. D is small, but, coming from C++, it looks like the natural transition to me, expecially for these reasons (that no other language seems to do better):
The only caveat seems to be that the ecosystem needs some love. But it is a perfectly fine alternative for many cases I guess. I think I will try my next project with D to see how it really feels to bring something into life from start to end. But, I think D has potential nonetheless. We all need to start somewhere. | |||
November 08, 2022 Re: Does D have any political goals? | ||||
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 Posted in reply to thebluepandabear | On Monday, 7 November 2022 at 05:30:20 UTC, thebluepandabear wrote: >For the next couple of days I was trying very hard to find an apolitical language to learn instead of Rust, and I stumbled across D. D seemed like a good language to learn and I saw that the community was extremely nice, although I am not sure whether D is an apolitical language (or whether they have been involved politically). D and the forum are as apolitical as it could be. Probably, I would not mind the D Language Foundation reaching out to politicians because of problems in the industry that change in regulation might fix. I was here in 2016/17 and 2020/21 when American presidential elections took place, which were probably the most political events in the recent past concerning an English-language forum. I don’t remember vividly what was here in 2016/17, but I guess I would if the forum had been full of posts regarding the election. In 2020/21, I remember discussions about politics almost everywhere, but in this forum, people were pleasantly happy to ignore American politics. To me, it was a place I could go to to get away from it. I remember seeing one thread; this here is the second political thread on this forum I stumbled upon (I consider this a political thread, even if it’s about politics in general). I very much do hold political opinions as probably a lot of people here do, but it seems all forum posters self-evidently understand that here is not the proper place for it. I’ve not witnessed Walter or anyone else in management ever needing to keep politics out of the forum. >I am just here asking whether or not D will keep politics out of programming, et cetera, and look – if D is political then I have absolutely no issue, in fact I respect this decision completely. It's just that when politics gets involved in programming it puts me off instantly, so that's why I asked. I guess there is only one instance when talking about politics in a specialized forum like this is appropriate: When (proposed or implemented) regulations affect forums per se or the topics it’s concerned with. | |||
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