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Posted in reply to Charlie | Does it work with Doxygen tags already in the code? "Charlie" <charles@jwavro.com> wrote in message news:d4rda0$1j75$1@digitaldaemon.com... > It doesn't even have to be flashy , CSS and a few images can go a > long way > to make it better. Natural docs ( http://www.naturaldocs.org/ ) > produces > very clean interface and can be used for anything really. > > Charlie > > > "Jason Mills" <jmills@cs.mun.ca> wrote in message news:d4rcck$1htf$1@digitaldaemon.com... >> Walter wrote: >> > Is a flashy web page really an advantage? I see a lot of >> flashy web >> pages, >> > and they don't impress me that much. The DM pages are for programmers, > who >> > (I assume) want to see a straightforward page that loads fast >> > and is not >> > gimmicky. Maybe I'm all wrong about this. >> >> Probably no pragmatic advantage. I would say most hard core >> programmers >> are content with the simple/clean web pages as they are. But >> there are >> those (a lot in my experience) that like eye candy. For some >> reason it >> looks and feels more professional, even if it is a facade. If you >> want >> to "sell" a product, wrap it in a nice package. >> >> > P.S. I also prefer a smaller number of pages with a lot of text to a > larger >> > number of small pages. The plethora of small pages means one is > constantly >> > clicking and waiting, which interrupts the train of thought. >> > >> > I do agree that I am not going to win any awards for my english > composition, >> > and if anyone has any suggestions on rewrites for any part of the text, > I'm >> > all ears! >> > >> > > > |
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Posted in reply to pragma | "pragma" <pragma_member@pathlink.com> wrote in message news:d4s019$24vk$1@digitaldaemon.com... > If you don't mind, I'll withold the rest of my critiques, as I'm still formulating them. Plus, I believe that I can probably do the topic more justice > by trying a few things offline. If anything comes of this exercise, I'll share > my findings here. Good. If you like, try mocking up a new front page and let's see how it looks. |
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Posted in reply to Walter | Walter wrote: > "J C Calvarese" <jcc7@cox.net> wrote in message > news:d4n2nl$1hr$1@digitaldaemon.com... > >>I think you're right. There's nothing necessarily /wrong/ the Digital >>Mars website, but a little CSS and a few simple graphical elements can >>go a long way. Obviously jazzy web design isn't Walter's favorite hobby, >>but there are many D programmers who are skilled at designing flashy web >>pages. > > > Is a flashy web page really an advantage? I see a lot of flashy web pages, > and they don't impress me that much. The DM pages are for programmers, who > (I assume) want to see a straightforward page that loads fast and is not > gimmicky. Maybe I'm all wrong about this. "Flashy" may have not been the best word. I'm certainly not suggesting that the D pages should be some overly fancy Macromedia flash monstrosity. I'm not asking for a bunch of animated .gif or JavaScript marquees either (let's not!). I just think that the pages could be a little more colorful in general. People have certain expectations when they view webpages, and I think most people today expect a different kind of design than they saw five years ago. Anything we can do to improve D's "first impression" would help out. Right now the D pages are mostly black text on white background (a lot of pages do this because it's easy to read), but they could benefit from the addition of some subtle accents. I think it's currently all the same font, but a second font could be used for major headings and other special occasions. The dividers are nice, but a shaded box here or there could add a lot more color to the design. I didn't see a prominant logo for the language (though there is a nice logo for Digital Mars). I don't think that frames are as cool as they used to be. I agree with what Eric wrote in the other branch. It'd be nice if there was some sort of welcome page that a person views before they see the frames. It might be a little bit of TMI. I've compiled some links to some of our competition for inspiration. I like the grassroots ones better than the corporate ones, but they all seems to be more "modern" looking than D's webpage. Grassroots: http://www.php.net/ http://www.python.org/ http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/ http://www.perl.org/ Corporate: http://msdn.microsoft.com/vcsharp/ http://java.sun.com/ http://www.borland.com/delphi/ > P.S. I also prefer a smaller number of pages with a lot of text to a larger > number of small pages. The plethora of small pages means one is constantly > clicking and waiting, which interrupts the train of thought. I don't think that's a problem. That seems like a reasonable view to me. > I do agree that I am not going to win any awards for my english composition, > and if anyone has any suggestions on rewrites for any part of the text, I'm > all ears! I like your writing style. I'll let you know if I find some mispelled words. -- jcc7 http://jcc_7.tripod.com/d/ |
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Posted in reply to Brad Beveridge | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Brad Beveridge schrieb am Fri, 29 Apr 2005 11:00:38 +1200: > Michael Hainze wrote: >> Simple solution to get D adopted--get Linus Torvalds to convert Linux to D. Or perhaps some brave soul can fork it and convert the basic Linux toolchain and kernel to D. > > Though I think you are jesting, it would be nice if D had a high-profile "killer app" that would make people sit up and take D seriously as a language. > > As an aside - how hard would it be to make a toy OS kernel in D. Or, if not a toy OS an embedded environment? It's not that difficult. (I'm currently updateing the dkernel source to the current DMD.) Thomas -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQFCcbCp3w+/yD4P9tIRAqUWAJwLIJvDtYY2Yjit/54HXiYNSXUoXACfTgsf 3y+DIKygtvCdDNOZrHQWo84= =dqXN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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Posted in reply to Thomas Kuehne | > > It's not that difficult. > (I'm currently updateing the dkernel source to the current DMD.) > > Thomas > Is that on the web somewhere? The only thing trusty google could find was http://www.geocities.com/one_mad_alien/dkernel.html, which looks a little old. Brad |
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Posted in reply to Brad Beveridge | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Brad Beveridge schrieb am Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:06:34 +1200: >> >> It's not that difficult. >> (I'm currently updateing the dkernel source to the current DMD.) >> >> Thomas >> > Is that on the web somewhere? The only thing trusty google could find was http://www.geocities.com/one_mad_alien/dkernel.html, which looks a little old. I'll try to setup a public Monotone server in the coming days. Thomas -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQFCcbdd3w+/yD4P9tIRAnrUAKCF3h92ZAn+MKfPtsv3LMt/eHTZIwCgzvHn lSXP7Pfy+hl7UFGgXlo4fdg= =Q8J9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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Posted in reply to J C Calvarese | "J C Calvarese" <jcc7@cox.net> wrote in message news:d4s9m5$2dih$1@digitaldaemon.com... > I'm not asking for a bunch of animated .gif or JavaScript marquees either (let's not!). I just think that the pages could be a little more colorful in general. People have certain expectations when they view webpages, and I think most people today expect a different kind of design than they saw five years ago. Anything we can do to improve D's "first impression" would help out. > > Right now the D pages are mostly black text on white background (a lot of pages do this because it's easy to read), but they could benefit from the addition of some subtle accents. I think it's currently all the same font, but a second font could be used for major headings and other special occasions. The dividers are nice, but a shaded box here or there could add a lot more color to the design. I didn't see a prominant logo for the language (though there is a nice logo for Digital Mars). > > I don't think that frames are as cool as they used to be. I agree with what Eric wrote in the other branch. It'd be nice if there was some sort of welcome page that a person views before they see the frames. It might be a little bit of TMI. > > I've compiled some links to some of our competition for inspiration. I like the grassroots ones better than the corporate ones, but they all seems to be more "modern" looking than D's webpage. > > Grassroots: > http://www.php.net/ > http://www.python.org/ > http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/ > http://www.perl.org/ > > Corporate: > http://msdn.microsoft.com/vcsharp/ > http://java.sun.com/ > http://www.borland.com/delphi/ I guess nobody likes Times font! Thanks for putting this together. |
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Posted in reply to Walter | Walter wrote:
> "J C Calvarese" <jcc7@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:d4s9m5$2dih$1@digitaldaemon.com...
>
>>I'm not asking for a bunch of animated .gif or JavaScript marquees
>>either (let's not!). I just think that the pages could be a little more
>>colorful in general. People have certain expectations when they view
>>webpages, and I think most people today expect a different kind of
>>design than they saw five years ago. Anything we can do to improve D's
>>"first impression" would help out.
>>
>>Right now the D pages are mostly black text on white background (a lot
>>of pages do this because it's easy to read), but they could benefit from
>>the addition of some subtle accents. I think it's currently all the same
>>font, but a second font could be used for major headings and other
>>special occasions. The dividers are nice, but a shaded box here or there
>>could add a lot more color to the design. I didn't see a prominant logo
>>for the language (though there is a nice logo for Digital Mars).
>>
>>I don't think that frames are as cool as they used to be. I agree with
>>what Eric wrote in the other branch. It'd be nice if there was some sort
>>of welcome page that a person views before they see the frames. It might
>>be a little bit of TMI.
>>
>>I've compiled some links to some of our competition for inspiration. I
>>like the grassroots ones better than the corporate ones, but they all
>>seems to be more "modern" looking than D's webpage.
>>
>>Grassroots:
>>http://www.php.net/
>>http://www.python.org/
>>http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/
>>http://www.perl.org/
>>
>>Corporate:
>>http://msdn.microsoft.com/vcsharp/
>>http://java.sun.com/
>>http://www.borland.com/delphi/
>
>
> I guess nobody likes Times font! Thanks for putting this together.
>
>
Are you willing to let someone redesign the D website, Walter?
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Posted in reply to Matthew | If your looking for doxygen compatibility, but in my opinion, more stylish default output HTML, checkout Doxys http://www.doxys.dk/doxys_homepage/. Matthew wrote: > Does it work with Doxygen tags already in the code? > > "Charlie" <charles@jwavro.com> wrote in message news:d4rda0$1j75$1@digitaldaemon.com... > >>It doesn't even have to be flashy , CSS and a few images can go a long way >>to make it better. Natural docs ( http://www.naturaldocs.org/ ) produces >>very clean interface and can be used for anything really. >> |
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