On Monday, 4 June 2018 at 19:21:22 UTC, Ethan wrote:
> On Monday, 4 June 2018 at 19:17:47 UTC, I love Ice Cream wrote:
>> It seems you guys are undercutting the results because you don't like them:
>
> Never mind that it is a commonly accepted criticism of the Tiobe index. Someone on the internet wants to strawman, so it must be valid!
>
> (The only source you listed there that would give unbiased search results is Wikipedia. Every other aggregate engine weighs results per user.

Can you name something without valid criticisms? Things could always be done better. But that doesn't mean they aren't useful. In this case it isn't meant to be an all encompassing answer, just a viewpoint that suggests a particular answer.

On Sunday, 3 June 2018 at 17:40:46 UTC, I love Ice Cream wrote:
>> Is D really a top 20 language? I don't remember seeing it anywhere close to the top 20.
>
>> https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ has them in 31
>
> Top comment is kind of depressing.

The right place to look is https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/d/

I agree with other comments regarding TIOBE - they are constantly changing how they do statistics so they are not relevant source at all. Just look where Kotlin is there and that should pretty much tell you everything. I know at least 10 large companies that are moving from Java/Scala to Kotlin, yet Kotlin is at the bottom 50 table... Ridiculous...

On Tuesday, June 05, 2018 15:09:56 Dejan Lekic via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> On Sunday, 3 June 2018 at 17:40:46 UTC, I love Ice Cream wrote:
> >> Is D really a top 20 language? I don't remember seeing it anywhere close to the top 20.
> >>
> >> https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ has them in 31
> >
> > Top comment is kind of depressing.
>
> The right place to look is https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/d/
>
> I agree with other comments regarding TIOBE - they are constantly changing how they do statistics so they are not relevant source at all. Just look where Kotlin is there and that should pretty much tell you everything. I know at least 10 large companies that are moving from Java/Scala to Kotlin, yet Kotlin is at the bottom 50 table... Ridiculous...

The TIOBE has never been a measurement of how much any given language is used. At best, it's been a measurement of which languages folks have been searching for. That can tell you something, but you have to understand what it's measuring to have any clue what it does tell you. And of course, because of how difficult it is to measure search results for a particular language, they keep changing their criteria. The result is that while the tiobe index may be interesting, it must be taken with a very large grain of salt - and that's without getting into any discussions of how valid it is or isn't to use search results from google to do the measuring.

- Jonathan M Davis

On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 at 20:15:07 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 05, 2018 15:09:56 Dejan Lekic via Digitalmars-d wrote:
>> On Sunday, 3 June 2018 at 17:40:46 UTC, I love Ice Cream wrote:
>> >> Is D really a top 20 language? I don't remember seeing it anywhere close to the top 20.
>> >>
>> >> https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ has them in 31
>> >
>> > Top comment is kind of depressing.
>>
>> The right place to look is https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/d/
>>
>> I agree with other comments regarding TIOBE - they are constantly changing how they do statistics so they are not relevant source at all. Just look where Kotlin is there and that should pretty much tell you everything. I know at least 10 large companies that are moving from Java/Scala to Kotlin, yet Kotlin is at the bottom 50 table... Ridiculous...
>
> The TIOBE has never been a measurement of how much any given language is used. At best, it's been a measurement of which languages folks have been searching for. That can tell you something, but you have to understand what it's measuring to have any clue what it does tell you. And of course, because of how difficult it is to measure search results for a particular language, they keep changing their criteria. The result is that while the tiobe index may be interesting, it must be taken with a very large grain of salt - and that's without getting into any discussions of how valid it is or isn't to use search results from google to do the measuring.
>
> - Jonathan M Davis

And all of the other metrics done by other groups that was provided that paints a similar picture?

http://githut.info/

http://pypl.github.io/PYPL.html

http://sogrady-media.redmonk.com/sogrady/files/2018/03/lang.rank_.118.png

https://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/software/the-2017-top-programming-languages

https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2016

I'm not really intending to crap on anyone here. It's just the dismissal of a collection of data all pointing towards one particular conclusion is a bit strange. It seems like the interest in D is going down not up. I mean it could have a renaissance, but I'd imagine some work would have to be put into that to make it happen.

On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 at 21:53:51 UTC, I love Ice Cream wrote:
> On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 at 20:15:07 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
>> On Tuesday, June 05, 2018 15:09:56 Dejan Lekic via Digitalmars-d wrote:
>>> On Sunday, 3 June 2018 at 17:40:46 UTC, I love Ice Cream wrote:
>>> >> Is D really a top 20 language? I don't remember seeing it anywhere close to the top 20.
>>> >>
>>> >> https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ has them in 31
>>> >
>>> > Top comment is kind of depressing.
>>>
>>> The right place to look is https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/d/
>>>
>>> I agree with other comments regarding TIOBE - they are constantly changing how they do statistics so they are not relevant source at all. Just look where Kotlin is there and that should pretty much tell you everything. I know at least 10 large companies that are moving from Java/Scala to Kotlin, yet Kotlin is at the bottom 50 table... Ridiculous...
>>
>> The TIOBE has never been a measurement of how much any given language is used. At best, it's been a measurement of which languages folks have been searching for. That can tell you something, but you have to understand what it's measuring to have any clue what it does tell you. And of course, because of how difficult it is to measure search results for a particular language, they keep changing their criteria. The result is that while the tiobe index may be interesting, it must be taken with a very large grain of salt - and that's without getting into any discussions of how valid it is or isn't to use search results from google to do the measuring.
>>
>> - Jonathan M Davis
>
> And all of the other metrics done by other groups that was provided that paints a similar picture?
>
> http://githut.info/
>
> http://pypl.github.io/PYPL.html
>
> http://sogrady-media.redmonk.com/sogrady/files/2018/03/lang.rank_.118.png
>
> https://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/software/the-2017-top-programming-languages
>
> https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2016
>
> I'm not really intending to crap on anyone here. It's just the dismissal of a collection of data all pointing towards one particular conclusion is a bit strange. It seems like the interest in D is going down not up. I mean it could have a renaissance, but I'd imagine some work would have to be put into that to make it happen.

The first link shows D having more repos. The third doesn't show changes in language popularity over time. I can't find any info about D usage over time in the other three links. The Stack Overflow survey isn't going to be informative anyway because most activity for D occurs here, not on SO, so it wouldn't be representative.