On Thursday, 27 March 2025 at 05:41:59 UTC, Dave P. wrote:

I won't say it was "very negative" but he had some frustration about several things..
Especially naming of "betterC" is misleading

And discord people have a proposal for renaming to "no-druntime" (as GDC already doing).

On Tuesday, 18 March 2025 at 20:00:01 UTC, Maximilian Naderer wrote:

"Garbage collected slop language... you also can precisely align structures."

D's new official tagline?

On Thursday, 27 March 2025 at 08:47:52 UTC, cc wrote:

Is he saying "slop" or "slope"? It sounds like the latter to me.

Then the question is just what does he mean by referring to the language in such a term?

On Thursday, 27 March 2025 at 10:50:46 UTC, Derek Fawcus wrote:

It's "slop". It's a newer internet slang term meaning something that is popular and/or widely used but is very low effort and is designed to be just good enough for the majority. In this case he uses it to refer to the GC, and languages that have a GC are "slop languages".

On Thursday, 27 March 2025 at 11:49:25 UTC, Meta wrote:

D can bring those C/raylib/no-gc/no-package-manager types to modern times

On Thursday, 27 March 2025 at 07:43:33 UTC, Sergey wrote:

The stream was okay, but it got funny at the end. My main takeaway is that the experience for new users trying to use D without GC isn't great. It seems like things would be easier if he knew about @nogc and nothrow, but most people start by learning about betterC first, which is an advanced and kind of weird feature.

On Thursday, 27 March 2025 at 12:08:45 UTC, Kapendev wrote:

More that the experience for users who disable the language's runtime isn't great. He didn't seem to understand that that's what betterC does, hence complaining that he can't use Phobos or the precompiled runtime library with it.

We should undocument and/or deprecate that stupid flag, because it only causes confusion and frustration, as seen in the video.

On Thursday, 27 March 2025 at 13:04:45 UTC, Meta wrote:

In that case he won't even try to use D =)

On Thursday, 27 March 2025 at 13:10:24 UTC, Sergey wrote:

betterC if I recall/inferred was somewhat a marketing term for the flag. '-no-runtime' is essentially what it does and indeed probably a better name.

It took me a while as to keep straight what D was, betterC, and importC when I got active with D. It's on my toso list to make a video (I haven't covered betterC yet) on YouTube to help straighten this out for other newcomers.

I suspect most folks still start with D and Phobos when learning, and then otherwise find betterC when they want to do more embedded/OS/bare metal things.