Just found these on reddit:

https://www.google.com/fonts/specimen/Roboto
https://www.google.com/fonts/specimen/Roboto+Mono

I'm thinking to use them instead of Verdana and Lucida Mono respectively.


Andrei

On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 21:46:05 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> Just found these on reddit:
>
> https://www.google.com/fonts/specimen/Roboto
> https://www.google.com/fonts/specimen/Roboto+Mono
>
> I'm thinking to use them instead of Verdana and Lucida Mono respectively.
>
>
> Andrei

Immediately pleasant on the eyes.  You had me at "Grumpy wizards make toxic brew for the evil Queen and Jack."

Mike

On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 21:46:05 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> Just found these on reddit:
>
> https://www.google.com/fonts/specimen/Roboto
> https://www.google.com/fonts/specimen/Roboto+Mono
>
> I'm thinking to use them instead of Verdana and Lucida Mono respectively.

1. Web fonts come with cost of increased page load time and resource utilization.

2. You can't use a custom (web) font for any content which you can't ensure contains only glyphs supported by the font. Which implies that you cannot use it for user-submitted content (forum and wiki), unless you want some glyphs to be in a different font. Which implies that if we do use a different font for the website, the forum may need to use a different, standard font.

Examples:

http://dump.thecybershadow.net/2ef53dfe00fc112e3418913348bebdf0/00000173.png
http://dump.thecybershadow.net/686026fbe38bab61e21631f6fb1f6f64/00000174.png

3. Just because a font looks bad on your machine, doesn't mean it looks as bad on others. (Conversely, just because a web font looks good on your machine, doesn't mean it'll look as good on others.) Fonts are hard.

I'm not sure there is a problem that needs to be fixed here, especially considering the caveats. In fact:

https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/995

On 6/5/15 3:07 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:
> On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 21:46:05 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>> Just found these on reddit:
>>
>> https://www.google.com/fonts/specimen/Roboto
>> https://www.google.com/fonts/specimen/Roboto+Mono
>>
>> I'm thinking to use them instead of Verdana and Lucida Mono respectively.
>
> 1. Web fonts come with cost of increased page load time and resource
> utilization.

These are made by Google and are optimized for the Web. On https://www.google.com/fonts#UsePlace:use/Collection:Roboto it seems like downloading a few of them keeps that gauge in the green region.

> 2. You can't use a custom (web) font for any content which you can't
> ensure contains only glyphs supported by the font. Which implies that
> you cannot use it for user-submitted content (forum and wiki), unless
> you want some glyphs to be in a different font. Which implies that if we
> do use a different font for the website, the forum may need to use a
> different, standard font.
>
> Examples:
>
> http://dump.thecybershadow.net/2ef53dfe00fc112e3418913348bebdf0/00000173.png
>
> http://dump.thecybershadow.net/686026fbe38bab61e21631f6fb1f6f64/00000174.png

Not sure what I'm looking at, but point taken. Perhaps I should try that on the main site.

> 3. Just because a font looks bad on your machine, doesn't mean it looks
> as bad on others. (Conversely, just because a web font looks good on
> your machine, doesn't mean it'll look as good on others.) Fonts are hard.

Well yah but our interior design has grown long in the tooth. Time for a change. I'll ask a trusted lieutenant (myself) to try Roboto and Roboto Mono on the site.

> I'm not sure there is a problem that needs to be fixed here, especially
> considering the caveats. In fact:
>
> https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/995

Alrighty.


Andrei

On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 22:19:01 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> These are made by Google and are optimized for the Web. On https://www.google.com/fonts#UsePlace:use/Collection:Roboto it seems like downloading a few of them keeps that gauge in the green region.

Right, but Google doesn't know about all the other resources we already use on dlang.org (CodeMirror / "Edit and run", sidebar resources, Disqus for DDox etc.).

> Not sure what I'm looking at, but point taken. Perhaps I should try that on the main site.

We control the content on dlang.org, and we don't have much Unicode, so it might be fine there. The issue is then with consistency across websites.

> Well yah but our interior design has grown long in the tooth. Time for a change. I'll ask a trusted lieutenant (myself) to try Roboto and Roboto Mono on the site.

Here is an alternative:

http://www.cssfontstack.com/

It allows choosing font sets that are already available on most machines out there.