On Sunday, 9 February 2020 at 14:32:38 UTC, Martin Brezel wrote:
> On Sunday, 9 February 2020 at 13:22:56 UTC, solnce wrote:
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>> I was expecting D lang to have something similar,if not an RAD, then native IDE with all that basic functionality support.
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> VisualStudioCode seems to be what you are looking for - except I do not fully understand what you mean by "native".

By saying Native I mean, written in D and by D team or be closely associated with D. In other words, to be a part of broader D project.

Everything what I could find and what works "out of the box" has nothing to do with D and is made work trough plugins mostly. That is disappointing.

S

On Sunday, 9 February 2020 at 13:22:56 UTC, solnce wrote:
> I really enjoy Pascal having Lazarus. Although it is not perfected, it provides very good start for beginners - native IDE, RAD, easy to setup and adjust, integrated debugger. All that beginners need to have for good start at no time cost. It is just language doesn't evolve itself.
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There isn't anything comparable to RAD for D. There was one being developed in the days od D1 for the DFL UI library - http://www.dprogramming.com/entice.php , but it's been long dead.

You can use GLADE to design an interface and then load it in a GtkD.

> And it is after 13 years of in active development and being successor (as it claims so) to C++. ADA has it, Eiffel has it, FPC, Gambino many niche and small languages have it, why D, which has much wider application,  cannot have it? I think that is natural further evolution of any programming language.

I think the text editor/IDE landscape changed a little in last decade or so. Editors such as Sublime Text or Ultraedit lost their popularity, so did small language specific IDEs such as Dev-C++ or Code::blocks. Most of users of these IDEs migrated to the big projects like VSCode, Visual Studio or IntelliJ. Also, the introduction of language servers allows working on IDE support, without being bound to a specific IDE.

Editors/IDEs such as VSCode have a massive ecosystem. Why not take advantage of it, rather than start from scratch.

On Sunday, 9 February 2020 at 18:17:13 UTC, JN wrote:
> On Sunday, 9 February 2020 at 13:22:56 UTC, solnce wrote:
>> I really enjoy Pascal having Lazarus. Although it is not perfected, it provides very good start for beginners - native IDE, RAD, easy to setup and adjust, integrated debugger. All that beginners need to have for good start at no time cost. It is just language doesn't evolve itself.
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> There isn't anything comparable to RAD for D. There was one being developed in the days od D1 for the DFL UI library - http://www.dprogramming.com/entice.php , but it's been long dead.
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> You can use GLADE to design an interface and then load it in a GtkD.
>
>> And it is after 13 years of in active development and being successor (as it claims so) to C++. ADA has it, Eiffel has it, FPC, Gambino many niche and small languages have it, why D, which has much wider application,  cannot have it? I think that is natural further evolution of any programming language.
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> I think the text editor/IDE landscape changed a little in last decade or so. Editors such as Sublime Text or Ultraedit lost their popularity, so did small language specific IDEs such as Dev-C++ or Code::blocks. Most of users of these IDEs migrated to the big projects like VSCode, Visual Studio or IntelliJ. Also, the introduction of language servers allows working on IDE support, without being bound to a specific IDE.
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> Editors/IDEs such as VSCode have a massive ecosystem. Why not take advantage of it, rather than start from scratch.

No, I understand that and agree - VSCode is impressive and I'll try it, but what is wrong with idea to have a dedicated IDE? At least one. C/C++ has tons of these and many of these are being actively developed, so why D cannot have? Especially when it is aiming to replace C/C++. Argument that VSCode is pretty much enough for most task it is ok, but is not very valid. The same applies to D itself - why to make a new language then when there is C++ around and there is a tons of IDE's for it.

Personally I feel this is more about lack of the vision, as Alexandrescu once said. Now it feels like D is mostly the compiler, but I think, that having one big mega project (like IDE+RAD) could give a new breath and significance to D language.

On Sunday, 9 February 2020 at 22:10:57 UTC, solnce wrote:
> No, I understand that and agree - VSCode is impressive and I'll try it, but what is wrong with idea to have a dedicated IDE? At least one. C/C++ has tons of these and many of these are being actively developed, so why D cannot have? Especially when it is aiming to replace C/C++. Argument that VSCode is pretty much enough for most task it is ok, but is not very valid. The same applies to D itself - why to make a new language then when there is C++ around and there is a tons of IDE's for it.
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> Personally I feel this is more about lack of the vision, as Alexandrescu once said. Now it feels like D is mostly the compiler, but I think, that having one big mega project (like IDE+RAD) could give a new breath and significance to D language.

Making an entire IDE would be a lot of work. Making plugins for existing editors is already time consuming, and is less work than building a complete solution.
Given how powerful regular editors can be, whether it's VSCode, Vim or Emacs, plugins make for a good compromise bewteen the time spent making the plugin, and the result you get.

On Sunday, 9 February 2020 at 22:10:57 UTC, solnce wrote:

> Personally I feel this is more about lack of the vision, as Alexandrescu once said. Now it feels like D is mostly the compiler, but I think, that having one big mega project (like IDE+RAD) could give a new breath and significance to D language.

There's absolutely no need for an IDE to be written in D (particularly one that supports RAD -- what would that use? GtkD?). For one thing, it's a massive project for which the D team does not have the resources to achieve. For another, there are already several popular IDEs and text editors for which plugins have been developed by community members. It would be a waste of time and energy for the D team to work on an IDE project.

If someone is inspired to write an IDE in D (and some have been in the past), nothing is stopping them.