On Monday, 15 November 2021 at 09:28:29 UTC, Imperatorn wrote:

It's just out of date.
Someone needs to bind it. I'm sure it will attract a lot of users for D.
wxWidgets with D, it must be good.
GUI is a big market.

On Monday, 15 November 2021 at 06:18:17 UTC, forkit wrote:

There are languages designed for novices, but they seem to be cumbersome for production use.

Yes, this is an interesting topic. I think new (and old) programmers benefit from writing pseudo code before they write in the implementation language. Basically write the code in their own favourite short-hand english mixed with symbols of their own choice. We could probably learn a lot about preferences if we collected personal "pseudo-code" from a large number of programmers.

I think there is quite a distance between the pseudo-code people choose to write and implementation in a system level language. That in itself suggests to me that "something is missing" in terms of usability. There is clearly room for improvement.

The visual image can often be noisy, and text editors provide limited tools for visually cleaning up and bringing emphasis to the important parts. Maybe also auto-formatting means that programmers loose a bit of creativity/interest in improving on the visual presentation of code?

Maybe so, and another factor is that they cannot filter out what is important and what isn't. It is like driving in a busy city. If you seldom do, then it is a scary and taxing experience, pedestrians basically jump out in front of the car... With lots of experience you filter out all noise and laser focus on the critical elements (like kids). If you cannot filter properly then you will "run out of space" in your short term memory.

I probably takes a lot of exposure to get used to the extended use of C++ namespaces, which makes the code look rather cluttered. Might have something to do with visual symbols too. To me namespace::function() looks more like two items than namespace'function(), so that could definitively be a chunking issue. I favour the latter notation for that reason (I think it is used by Ada?).

Also unique usage of mnemonics can help. One issue in D is reusing symbols and keywords for unrelated things. That is obviously making things harder as you now have to associate multiple things with the same visual impression, and that has a cognitive differentiation cost. So simpler visuals do not have to be better.

On Monday, 15 November 2021 at 10:21:04 UTC, zjh wrote:

Which of these alternatives do you consider best atm:

https://wiki.dlang.org/GUI_Libraries

On Tuesday, 16 November 2021 at 07:15:58 UTC, Imperatorn wrote:

Those GUIs are not competitive.
Just wxWidgets is good.
This is the most friendly for programmers.

On Tuesday, 16 November 2021 at 07:20:26 UTC, zjh wrote:

wxWidgets's comprehensive ability is the best.

On Tuesday, 16 November 2021 at 07:22:16 UTC, zjh wrote:

QT, only DLL.sciter is the same. The rest are too small.
WxWidgets comprehensive, can lib connected, free. Very good.
Maybe we can cooperate with the wxWidgets community.

On Tuesday, 16 November 2021 at 07:37:17 UTC, zjh wrote:

We can also investigate the common binding of python. Then we can bind it again.

On Monday, 15 November 2021 at 10:21:04 UTC, zjh wrote:

GUI is a warlord scuffle. We just need to bind to the one with the most potential.
We can get a large number of users.

On Tuesday, 16 November 2021 at 07:20:26 UTC, zjh wrote:

I have no idea what you just said.

Is not GTK, DWT/SWT, Qt or tk used you mean? :D

On Tuesday, 16 November 2021 at 08:40:30 UTC, Imperatorn wrote:

Score GUI libraries according to size/user-friendly/comprehensive/open-source/speed, wxWidgets is basically the best.