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[dmd-beta] Looks like it's time for a beta!
Feb 01, 2013
Walter Bright
Feb 01, 2013
Jacob Carlborg
Feb 01, 2013
David Nadlinger
Feb 01, 2013
Walter Bright
Feb 01, 2013
Rainer Schuetze
Feb 01, 2013
Rainer Schuetze
Feb 01, 2013
Walter Bright
Feb 02, 2013
Rainer Schuetze
Feb 02, 2013
Walter Bright
Feb 02, 2013
Jacob Carlborg
Feb 01, 2013
Jesse Phillips
February 01, 2013
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February 01, 2013
Can we please get this pull request into this release: https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dmd/pull/1145

It is so very desperately needed in order to sanitize build systems. It's a small patch that would bring huge benefits (think `gcc -dM -E - < /dev/null`).

On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Walter Bright <walter@digitalmars.com> wrote:
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On Feb 01, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Walter Bright <walter@digitalmars.com> wrote:

There are still two open regressions left. Both seems to have pull requests:

http://d.puremagic.com/issues/buglist.cgi?keywords=pull&query_format=advanced&keywords_type=allwords&bug_severity=regression&bug_severity=blocker&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&columnlist=bug_severity%2Ccomponent%2Cversion%2Cshort_desc%2Ckeywords&product=D&query_format=advanced&order=bug_severity%2Cbug_id&query_based_on=

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February 01, 2013
I just hit this regression with forward reference problems today: http://d.puremagic.com/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=9436

Having used dustmite for the first time, I'm really impressed (after automating getting rid of the crash dialog). A couple of manual cleanups were necessary though to remove unrelated error messages.

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February 01, 2013
I'm a little concerned about the current state of the generated JSON files. As discussed on the newsgroup it is excessively verbose and inconsistent. It's also incompatible with previous versions so tools relying on it need to be changed. Visual D for example doesn't find any line number info or type anymore because of a different structure, other fields are renamed. (Unrelated to the format, but it also seems to cause crashes easily, though I'm not sure yet if this is a problem with the size, the compiler or the precise GC.)
It would be unpleasant if it changes considerably in the next version again.

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February 01, 2013
On 1 Feb 2013, at 11:59, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
> On Feb 01, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Walter Bright <walter@digitalmars.com> wrote:
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> There are still two open regressions left. Both seems to have pull requests:
>
> http://d.puremagic.com/issues/buglist.cgi?keywords=pull&query_format=advanced&keywords_type=allwords&bug_severity=regression&bug_severity=blocker&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&columnlist=bug_severity%2Ccomponent%2Cversion%2Cshort_desc%2Ckeywords&product=D&query_format=advanced&order=bug_severity%2Cbug_id&query_based_on=

Your search specifically targets regression/blocker bugs with the "pull" keyword.

There are more open regressions:

http://d.puremagic.com/issues/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_severity=regression&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&columnlist=bug_severity%2Ccomponent%2Cversion%2Cshort_desc%2Ckeywords&product=D&query_format=advanced&order=bug_severity%2Cbug_id

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February 01, 2013
Ok, but can this be done as a transition to the new release structure. I know the wiki is still a long list of details and won't be a straight forward, "I'm going to ... where do I find that." But I think we'll need you to handle a little bumpy release while we clearly lay this out.

http://wiki.dlang.org/Release_Process

To make the transition I need to set the expectation of this beta. Do not expect it to be released in the next two weeks or month. The new process we are to run a beta until 'master' has reached another state when you feel "Time for another Beta." (which should be about every 2 months). If we were in the process we'd be releasing what was in 'staging,' but we haven't got there yet.

Now, merge 'master' into 'staging' and fix all regressions against 'staging.'

http://wiki.dlang.org/Release_Process#Preparing_a_new_major_release

So these steps are written in the order we'll do them this time, but
not exactly what it will look like the next time.
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February 01, 2013
On 2/1/2013 5:19 AM, David Nadlinger wrote:
> On 1 Feb 2013, at 11:59, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
>> On Feb 01, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Walter Bright <walter@digitalmars.com> wrote:
>> 
>> There are still two open regressions left. Both seems to have pull requests:
>>
>> http://d.puremagic.com/issues/buglist.cgi?keywords=pull&query_format=advanced&keywords_type=allwords&bug_severity=regression&bug_severity=blocker&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&columnlist=bug_severity%2Ccomponent%2Cversion%2Cshort_desc%2Ckeywords&product=D&query_format=advanced&order=bug_severity%2Cbug_id&query_based_on= 
>>
>
> Your search specifically targets regression/blocker bugs with the "pull" keyword.
>
> There are more open regressions:
>
> http://d.puremagic.com/issues/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_severity=regression&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&columnlist=bug_severity%2Ccomponent%2Cversion%2Cshort_desc%2Ckeywords&product=D&query_format=advanced&order=bug_severity%2Cbug_id 
>
>
> David

This shows 4, one of which was added this morning, and one which has a pull request that I authored:

http://d.puremagic.com/issues/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_severity=regression&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED

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On 2/1/2013 3:30 AM, Rainer Schuetze wrote:
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> I'm a little concerned about the current state of the generated JSON files. As discussed on the newsgroup it is excessively verbose and inconsistent. It's also incompatible with previous versions so tools relying on it need to be changed. Visual D for example doesn't find any line number info or type anymore because of a different structure, other fields are renamed. (Unrelated to the format, but it also seems to cause crashes easily, though I'm not sure yet if this is a problem with the size, the compiler or the precise GC.)
> It would be unpleasant if it changes considerably in the next version again.

I agree it blows. Since you're one of the few users of it, care to take a shot at fixing it?
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February 02, 2013
On 01.02.2013 22:17, Walter Bright wrote:
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> On 2/1/2013 3:30 AM, Rainer Schuetze wrote:
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>> I'm a little concerned about the current state of the generated JSON files. As discussed on the newsgroup it is excessively verbose and inconsistent. It's also incompatible with previous versions so tools relying on it need to be changed. Visual D for example doesn't find any line number info or type anymore because of a different structure, other fields are renamed. (Unrelated to the format, but it also seems to cause crashes easily, though I'm not sure yet if this is a problem with the size, the compiler or the precise GC.)
>> It would be unpleasant if it changes considerably in the next version again.
>
> I agree it blows. Since you're one of the few users of it, care to take a shot at fixing it?

I'm not sure I'm the right person to do this, because I don't know what the changes were aiming at. There's a lot more stuff in the JSON file now than the declarations needed for browsing the source.

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