Forgive my ignorance.  Could someone give me a feel for the maturity of the D compiler?  What features have yet to be implemented?  Is it still somewhat buggy?  How does the performance compare to a modern C++ compiler like Visual C++ or gcc C++?  What libraries are available?  Are there GUI libraries for D?  How well does it integrate with OpenGL?

Thanks,

Craig

"Craig Black" <cblack@ara.com> wrote in message news:c3t1fi$19j0$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> Forgive my ignorance.  Could someone give me a feel for the maturity of
the
> D compiler?

It's at 0.81. I would guess that it will jump from 0.90 to 1.0

>  What features have yet to be implemented?

Walter can comment on that.

>  Is it still somewhat
> buggy?

Yes

>  How does the performance compare to a modern C++ compiler like
> Visual C++ or gcc C++?

Extremely fast compile times. Generates very competitive code.

>  What libraries are available?

Not many yet, but the list is growing

>  Are there GUI
> libraries for D?

Yes, but they're still in development

>  How well does it integrate with OpenGL?

Not my area

Craig Black wrote:

>Forgive my ignorance.  Could someone give me a feel for the maturity of the
>D compiler?  
>
It's still changing and that can be a real problem for stable code.  However it's reaching a pointer where changes are becoming less and less and most *new* things will be in 2.0.

>What features have yet to be implemented?
>
Only Walter knows this exactly.  One thing is array operations (ie +, -) but I don't know if that's still on the list.

>Is it still somewhat buggy?
>
IMHO it's reasonably stable, although there are bugs most of them aren't critical (just annoying).

>How does the performance compare to a modern C++ compiler like
>Visual C++ or gcc C++?  What libraries are available?  
>
>Are there GUI libraries for D?
>
Dig, Windy and DUI.

>How well does it integrate with OpenGL?
>
Very well, indeed.  Performace wise (you'll need to judge for yourself) but it seems to be similar.

glExcess was implemented in D with good results:

>>It shows that even in its current alpha state the D compiler plays in the same league with production C/C++ compilers.
>
>
>sure. D compiler is pretty good.
>  
>
>>And the binary is smaller, 65% of the original.
>>    
>>
>since my 'glExcess into D' doesn't support sound and
>FPS(frames per second) display ,so it doesn't mean
>D compiler generate smaller binary than C/C++ compiler.
>
>by fairly judging , it is almost even.
>
>yaneurao.
>
- -Anderson: http://badmama.com.au/~anderson/

( Unofficial )

> What features have yet to be implemented?
A few , but 1.0 release is coming soon , its almost ready.

> Is it still somewhat
> buggy?

I haven't had any trouble with the generated code , some syntax related problems still exist, but are rapdily being taken care of.

> How does the performance compare to a modern C++ compiler like
> Visual C++ or gcc C++?

Im using D in a commericial application , and comparing to GCC , I find it produces faster code, smaller executables, and the compile / link phase is EXTREMELY faster.

> What libraries are available?
Several, but you'll have to hunt them down.  The wiki is a good place to start, heres a few

http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?FrontPage
http://www.atari-soldiers.com/libs.html
http://badmama.com.au/~anderson/
http://jcc_7.tripod.com/d/
http://hp.vector.co.jp/authors/VA028375/d/windows.h.html



> Are there GUI
> libraries for D?

Yes

http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?SDWF
dui.sf.net
theres mike's ( a bit dated ) DFC.

A DWT port is underway, I was working on one aswell but got sidetracked, and Im not really qualified for a GUI lib anyway :).

> How well does it integrate with OpenGL?
Quite well I imagine, i havent used it though , heres a good resource.  I know directx9 has been used as well.

http://badmama.com.au/~anderson/


Have fun!
C


On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 16:18:25 -0600, Craig Black <cblack@ara.com> wrote:

> Forgive my ignorance.  Could someone give me a feel for the maturity of the
> D compiler?  What features have yet to be implemented?  Is it still somewhat
> buggy?  How does the performance compare to a modern C++ compiler like
> Visual C++ or gcc C++?  What libraries are available?  Are there GUI
> libraries for D?  How well does it integrate with OpenGL?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Craig
>
>



-- 
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I only have time for a few words.

Mature? more or less. we expect it to reach almost production quality somewhat soon - whatever this may mean, we haven't heard any promises or speculative dates, but it's apparently getting sooner and sooner. Just watch the version number hit 1.00. :>

Features? cannot remember, not much serious, but the specification might change if we find some really really really serious fault. I would believe that current operator overloading resolution is slightly faulty.

Performance? more or less on the same level as GCC and MSVC6. it's basically the same you would get from DigitalMars C++ compiler, but will get better someday. Standard library performance may deserve improvement. An alternative compiler based on GCC seems to be almost ready.

Libraries - refer to WIKI.
http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?FrontPage
Special tipp: there exists a hacked version of SWIG so that you can automatically genate wrappers for many C++ libraries which are also used from Ruby, Perl, Python...

GUI: DIG (*not* the version from OpenD) - Windows, DUI - GTK based Unix and Windows, and 2 more not so mature Windows libraries. There's something big ahead, like SWT port, or so i hear.

OpenGL: *perfect* support, fresh import units and extension loaders have been floating around somewhere.

-eye


Craig Black schrieb:

> Forgive my ignorance.  Could someone give me a feel for the maturity of the
> D compiler?  What features have yet to be implemented?  Is it still somewhat
> buggy?  How does the performance compare to a modern C++ compiler like
> Visual C++ or gcc C++?  What libraries are available?  Are there GUI
> libraries for D?  How well does it integrate with OpenGL?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Craig

Matthew wrote:

> "Craig Black" <cblack@ara.com> wrote in message
> news:c3t1fi$19j0$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> 
<snip>
>> What features have yet to be implemented?
> 
> Walter can comment on that.
> 
>> Is it still somewhat buggy?
> 
> Yes
<snip>

Maybe we should get an official bug/omission listed sorted out, to aid with finally getting enough bugs squashed in time for 1.0.

What is the current stage of D/DMD as a whole, for that matter?  Alpha?  Beta?  Gamma?  Somewhere in between?

Stewart.

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