I think this is going to have to be done, as I'm drowning under the volume, and I know Walter's having trouble keeping me supplied with hourly compiler updates <G> because of it.

I don't know what I would suggest, but I think at the least we should have D.newbies and D.bugs groups.

Votes?

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---

Matthew

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Matthew wrote:

>I think this is going to have to be done, as I'm drowning under the volume, and I
>know Walter's having trouble keeping me supplied with hourly compiler updates <G>
>because of it.
>
>I don't know what I would suggest, but I think at the least we should have
>D.newbies and D.bugs groups.
>
>Votes?
>
>For
>---
>  
>
J Anderson - Agreed (finally) the group has just got to large, I mean 170 emails in half a day...

>Matthew
>
>Against
>-------
>  
>



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Matthew wrote:

>I think this is going to have to be done, as I'm drowning under the volume, and I
>know Walter's having trouble keeping me supplied with hourly compiler updates <G>
>because of it.
>
>I don't know what I would suggest, but I think at the least we should have
>D.newbies and D.bugs groups.
>  
>

I don't know about these group names.  I mean I don't seen to many bug-reports.  Parhaps
D.feature
D.newbies
D.bugs

or just D.feature and D.newbies

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"Matthew" <matthew.hat@stlsoft.dot.org> wrote in message news:c66s9i$2hv9$3@digitaldaemon.com...
> I think this is going to have to be done, as I'm drowning under the
volume, and I
> know Walter's having trouble keeping me supplied with hourly compiler
updates <G>
> because of it.
>
> I don't know what I would suggest, but I think at the least we should have D.newbies and D.bugs groups.

I would suggest something more like "D.howto" and "D.bugs".  If you say newbie, some people will not go there because "they aren't newbies" even if they fully intend to ask a newbie question.

Bugs can be problematic in any form, because it will be used for support as well... like, bugs in their own code.  I've seen it too often.... but it may not be avoidable.  Maybe dev would fix that, but it also causes other problems...

Either way, assuming my vote counts, I agree it should be split up.

Note: just saw "What groups?" by "J Anderson".  It might be best to continue related discussion there...

-[Unknown]

In article <c66s9i$2hv9$3@digitaldaemon.com>, Matthew says...
>
>D.newbies and D.bugs groups.

I would suggest a fourth one "D.apps.devel"
(and later D.apps.announce)

Votes:

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Matthew
Ant

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J Anderson wrote:
> Matthew wrote:
> 
>> I think this is going to have to be done, as I'm drowning under the volume, and I
>> know Walter's having trouble keeping me supplied with hourly compiler updates <G>
>> because of it.
>>
>> I don't know what I would suggest, but I think at the least we should have
>> D.newbies and D.bugs groups.
>>
>> Votes?
>>
>> For
>> ---
>>  
>>
> J Anderson - Agreed (finally) the group has just got to large, I mean 170 emails in half a day...

J C Calvarese - I think the volume is stifling discussion.

> 
>> Matthew
>>
>> Against
>> -------



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J Anderson wrote:

>
> I don't know about these group names.  I mean I don't seen to many bug-reports.  Parhaps
> D.feature
> D.newbies
> D.bugs
>
> or just D.feature and D.newbies
>
>I would suggest something more like "D.howto" and "D.bugs".  If you say
>newbie, some people will not go there because "they aren't newbies" even if
>they fully intend to ask a newbie question.
>  
>
Good idea!


Now that I think of it a bugs group would be good (you could search it for common bugs).  Parhaps bugs could mean -this doesn't work- as well.  That is not just compiler bugs.  But that may cross the borders of how to.  

*Slightly off topic* It would be good if all error messages had a code.  Then each bug code could be include in the subject line (a convention).


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J Anderson wrote:
> Matthew wrote:
> 
>> I think this is going to have to be done, as I'm drowning under the volume, and I
>> know Walter's having trouble keeping me supplied with hourly compiler updates <G>
>> because of it.
>>
>> I don't know what I would suggest, but I think at the least we should have
>> D.newbies and D.bugs groups.
>>  
>>
> 
> I don't know about these group names.  I mean I don't seen to many bug-reports.  Parhaps
> D.feature
> D.newbies
> D.bugs
> 
> or just D.feature and D.newbies

or just D.feature and D.bugs

I'm still optimistic that the newbie "problem" could be alleviated by some better web pages. Instead of just listing the newsgroup on the front page of the Spec (http://www.digitalmars.com/d/intro.html), the FAQs could be mentioned in the same paragraph, such as PLEASE CHECK THE F.A.Q.s BEFORE YOU POST!!!

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"J Anderson" <REMOVEanderson@badmama.com.au> wrote in message news:c66u2g$2kug$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> J Anderson wrote:
>
> Good idea!

Thanks.  Every once and again I manage one.

>
>
> Now that I think of it a bugs group would be good (you could search it for
common bugs).
> Parhaps bugs could mean -this doesn't work- as well.  That is not just
compiler bugs.  But that may cross the borders of how to.

That's a good point.  Legitamize use of bugs for user bugs as well, and it might go better and cause less headaches.  However, if it is left as bugs... "feature" might be good to sort out feature requests - that way you could look to see if it was already requested.

> *Slightly off topic* It would be good if all error messages had a code.
Then each bug code could be include in the subject line (a convention).

That could be quite useful.

Reminds me - the compiler isn't translatable at all, is it?  It would be great if you could use an import (or .h file...) for all language entries, and freely distribute that so localized compilers can be made for Spanish, German, etc.

With this, adding tags to the error codes would not be as arduous - all the strings would just be in that file.

-[Unknown]

J C Calvarese wrote:

> J Anderson wrote:
>
>> Matthew wrote:
>>
>>> I think this is going to have to be done, as I'm drowning under the volume, and I
>>> know Walter's having trouble keeping me supplied with hourly compiler updates <G>
>>> because of it.
>>>
>>> I don't know what I would suggest, but I think at the least we should have
>>> D.newbies and D.bugs groups.
>>>  
>>>
>>
>> I don't know about these group names.  I mean I don't seen to many bug-reports.  Parhaps
>> D.feature
>> D.newbies
>> D.bugs
>>
>> or just D.feature and D.newbies
>
>
> or just D.feature and D.bugs
>
> I'm still optimistic that the newbie "problem" could be alleviated by some better web pages. Instead of just listing the newsgroup on the front page of the Spec (http://www.digitalmars.com/d/intro.html), the FAQs could be mentioned in the same paragraph, such as PLEASE CHECK THE F.A.Q.s BEFORE YOU POST!!!
>
Could work.  Then D.bugs would become the noob group.  It could be D.problems.

Another name alternative noob name .... D.help.

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