May 19, 2004
Ant wrote:

> On Wed, 19 May 2004 11:30:41 +1200, Regan Heath wrote:
> 
> 
>>On Tue, 18 May 2004 22:36:16 +0000 (UTC), Ant <Ant_member@pathlink.com> wrote:
>>
>>>http://leds.sourceforge.net/prefEditorKeys.html
>>>
>>>Ant
>>>PS I didn't remember the "Next Element" and "Previous Element"! :}
>>>I wonder if those really work?...
>>
>>I don't know.. to tell the truth I don't actually use leds, I use DIDE on windows.
> 
> 
> They don't, there isn't even code to process those...
> 
> (there probably millions and millions of people pressing
> that key and nothing is hapening... it's all my fault)
> 
> 
>>I use DIDE on windows.
> 
> 
> if you switch to leds we would double the number of users.

I assume you're referring to the mythical leds running on Windows.

("If you release it, they will test it.")

> 
> Ant

-- 
Justin (a/k/a jcc7)
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May 19, 2004
On Tue, 18 May 2004 20:34:20 -0500, J C Calvarese wrote:

> Ant wrote:
> 
> 
> I assume you're referring to the mythical leds running on Windows.
> 
> ("If you release it, they will test it.")
> 

:)

sorry.

But - I'm already using leds in windows(!) to develop
the leds windows version. 2 problems:
- can't make the GTK Spawn fire a system command (????)
- didn't even got gcc running to compile scintilla

(maybe I shouldn't say this, well Charles is a good guy)
I already prefer leds (windows) to DIDE
but that's expected, I wrote leds...

Ant

May 19, 2004
My two bits worth...

Big picture...

Kate (alah KDE) support for D means the the *.d,*.D extensions for D source code are accounted for under linux in a high profile way.  This in turn adds more weight for the general adoption of D under linux.  Not to mention adding support to any claim made by leds or any other Dev tool which attempts to support D under linux as a legitimate programming language.

Small picture...

Who cares if Kate is better or worse than leds.  I say, the more options out there for people the better.  When people see D as a highlighting option under Kate they may begin to ask questions...  and that can only be good for D... and leds!

My picture...

Kate it a developing product which has real potential...
Kate is integrated into KDevelop which means D is now one step closer to being supported by a ?main? stream development environment and this would certainly help to increase the exposure of D!

Parting comment...

As an Ex-programmer I see real potential for D and want to see it succeed and the Kate highlighting project is a way I feel I've been able to contribute towards the goal of Dee success of D.

Shoot me down in flames if you like, but a phonex never says "die".

Cheers
SMack
May 19, 2004
In article <c8f14n$ue1$1@digitaldaemon.com>, Simon J Mackenzie says...
>

of course, you're right.

I still can't run KDevelop on my machine (I'll reinstall)
but I looked at the kdevelop page.
Can kdevelop understand D?
Can the C++ (or other) mode be tricked to edit D projects?
How easy is to have full support for D on kdevelop?
How would one use kdevelop for D development?

Ant


May 19, 2004
Ant wrote:
> In article <c8f14n$ue1$1@digitaldaemon.com>, Simon J Mackenzie says...
> 
> 
> of course, you're right.
> 

Yeah thanks Ant.

> I still can't run KDevelop on my machine (I'll reinstall)
> but I looked at the kdevelop page.

1) > Can kdevelop understand D?

2) > Can the C++ (or other) mode be tricked to edit D projects?

3) > How easy is to have full support for D on kdevelop?

4) > How would one use kdevelop for D development?

These are all good questions {:-)}
I'm wondering if some of the dev work from leds be used to add the required support to KDevelop...  or would that be too close to sacrilege??? (Hmmm, haven't felt any bolts of lightening yet, maybe that's a sign...{:-)}

See http://developer.kde.org/documentation/library/cvs-api/kdevelop/html/LangSupportStatus.html

I'll try and answer some of these quesitons (see 1234 above) but if anyone has already done some of the ground work it would be goooood to hear from you!

Now it's time to sleep.
Cheers
SMack
May 20, 2004
Ant wrote:
> Do you find to troubleing to see buttons drawn a little bit differently?
> (probably you can download a theme for GTK that emulates your KDE theme)
> Is KDE so monopolistically blind that doesn't allow users to fire an
> external application as if it was a KDE application?
> (couldn't spell seamingsly)

I try to steer clear of GTK because it's typical of the bazaar approach to building software. KDE and FreeBSD have a similar approach to building software that isn't "bazaar" or "bizarre". I know what I'm getting when I install KDE from FreeBSD ports, inasmuch as I run FreeBSD instead of Linux because I know what I'm getting when I build the world (no wacky glibc problems, for one.)

Besides, I use XEmacs for most of my heavy duty editing. Kate's useful for viewing source but I don't do project work with it.

> Or don't you use a GTK application for some ideoligical reason?
> (all distros I tryed had both KDE and Gnome - I don't use any, just GTK)

Ah, that's where you made a mistake. You assumed that I run Linux. And, yes, I don't use Gnome or GTK partly for ideological reasons enumerated above.

> leds is a much (,much, much) better tool for coding on D then kate,
> it's your lost if you impose yourself that artificial limitation.
> if you have GTK on you system there is no reason
> (that I find valid) not to use leds.
> I don't see a reason not to install GTK (unless you don't own the system).
> 
> well, is my lost too as I need users with reports and suggestions...

I'm sure you will find a more receptive audience for your software, but you might want to be a little less shrill about advocating your software.
May 20, 2004
On Wed, 19 May 2004 21:18:55 -0700, -scooter- wrote:

> I try to steer clear of GTK because it's typical of the bazaar approach to building software.

I don't like KDE but I'm gonna take a look a KDevelop, looks quite interesting.

> 
> Besides, I use XEmacs for most of my heavy duty editing. Kate's useful for viewing source but I don't do project work with it.

I tried it, kinda awfull. But I confess I didn't even figured out
how I could take control of how the buffers were used instead
of XEmacs deciding it for me.
I don't like apps that believe they are smarter then the user.

> 
>> Or don't you use a GTK application for some ideoligical reason? (all distros I tryed had both KDE and Gnome - I don't use any, just GTK)
> 
> Ah, that's where you made a mistake. You assumed that I run Linux.

sorry.

> And, yes, I don't use Gnome or GTK partly for ideological reasons enumerated above.

> you might want to be a little less shrill about advocating your software.

http://www.freesearch.co.uk/dictionary/shrill
shrill

adjective
1 having a loud and high sound that is unpleasant or painful to listen to:

- She had a shrill high-pitched voice.

2 DISAPPROVING

describes a way of arguing or criticizing that seems too forceful:

- He launched a shrill attack on the Prime Minister.

thanks for the advice. I'll try.
I know that even this will be seen as sarcastic
but it's not mean to be.

Ant

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