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February 28, 2006 Bool {post,pre}{inc,dec}-operators | ||||
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 | bool a = 0; --a; assert(a == false || a == true); // FAILS(!) (a is set to 255) bool t = true; bool b = t+t; assert(b == true); //OK bool c = 0; c++; c++; assert(c == true || c == false); // FAILS But: bool d = 0; d += 2; assert(d == true || d == false); // OK /Oskar | |||
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ReplyMarch 01, 2006 Re: Bool {post,pre}{inc,dec}-operators | ||||
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 Posted in reply to Oskar Linde | Oskar Linde wrote:
> bool a = 0;
> --a;
> assert(a == false || a == true); // FAILS(!) (a is set to 255)
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> bool t = true;
> bool b = t+t;
> assert(b == true); //OK
> bool c = 0;
> c++;
> c++;
> assert(c == true || c == false); // FAILS
>
> But:
>
> bool d = 0;
> d += 2;
> assert(d == true || d == false); // OK
>
> /Oskar
This makes me sick to my stomach. I thought D was a beautiful language, but now I dont know.
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March 01, 2006 Re: Bool {post,pre}{inc,dec}-operators | ||||
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 Posted in reply to Kyle Furlong | In article <du2qrk$61u$2@digitaldaemon.com>, Kyle Furlong says... > >Oskar Linde wrote: >> bool a = 0; >> --a; >> assert(a == false || a == true); // FAILS(!) (a is set to 255) >> >> bool t = true; >> bool b = t+t; >> assert(b == true); //OK >> bool c = 0; >> c++; >> c++; >> assert(c == true || c == false); // FAILS >> >> But: >> >> bool d = 0; >> d += 2; >> assert(d == true || d == false); // OK >> >> /Oskar > >This makes me sick to my stomach. I thought D was a beautiful language, but now I dont know. bools were *just* added... I'm sure Walter will fix these things -- don't go degrading the entire language because a brand new feature in a beta release is buggy. Keep up the good work... anyway, how often do you get to yell directly to the language's creator to get it made just the way you want it? :-D - Jeremy | |||
March 01, 2006 Re: Bool {post,pre}{inc,dec}-operators | ||||
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Posted in reply to Jeremy | Jeremy wrote:
> In article <du2qrk$61u$2@digitaldaemon.com>, Kyle Furlong says...
>> Oskar Linde wrote:
>>> bool a = 0;
>>> --a;
>>> assert(a == false || a == true); // FAILS(!) (a is set to 255)
>>>
>>> bool t = true;
>>> bool b = t+t;
>>> assert(b == true); //OK
>>> bool c = 0;
>>> c++;
>>> c++;
>>> assert(c == true || c == false); // FAILS
>>>
>>> But:
>>>
>>> bool d = 0;
>>> d += 2;
>>> assert(d == true || d == false); // OK
>>>
>>> /Oskar
>> This makes me sick to my stomach. I thought D was a beautiful language, but now I dont know.
>
> bools were *just* added... I'm sure Walter will fix these things -- don't go
> degrading the entire language because a brand new feature in a beta release is
> buggy. Keep up the good work... anyway, how often do you get to yell directly to
> the language's creator to get it made just the way you want it? :-D
>
> - Jeremy
Here's the thing though: Even if I and others yell and scream and tear our hair out, Walter will implement it how he wants anyways. And yes, I sill think D is the best language around. (D the Language, not D the Framework)
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March 01, 2006 Re: Bool {post,pre}{inc,dec}-operators | ||||
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Posted in reply to Kyle Furlong | In article <du4sp7$1e50$2@digitaldaemon.com>, Kyle Furlong says... > >Jeremy wrote: >> In article <du2qrk$61u$2@digitaldaemon.com>, Kyle Furlong says... >>> Oskar Linde wrote: >>>> bool a = 0; >>>> --a; >>>> assert(a == false || a == true); // FAILS(!) (a is set to 255) >>>> >>>> bool t = true; >>>> bool b = t+t; >>>> assert(b == true); //OK >>>> bool c = 0; >>>> c++; >>>> c++; >>>> assert(c == true || c == false); // FAILS >>>> >>>> But: >>>> >>>> bool d = 0; >>>> d += 2; >>>> assert(d == true || d == false); // OK >>>> >>>> /Oskar >>> This makes me sick to my stomach. I thought D was a beautiful language, but now I dont know. >> >> bools were *just* added... I'm sure Walter will fix these things -- don't go degrading the entire language because a brand new feature in a beta release is buggy. Keep up the good work... anyway, how often do you get to yell directly to the language's creator to get it made just the way you want it? :-D >> >> - Jeremy > >Here's the thing though: Even if I and others yell and scream and tear our hair out, Walter will implement it how he wants anyways. And yes, I sill think D is the best language around. (D the Language, not D the Framework) Hrm.. I'm rather a D newbie :-D but it seems to be just what I want (given some time for things to become stable anyway). SO, I don't know how stubborn he is (or not) -- but this bool thing seems pretty crazy to leave as-is.. I couldn't imagine Walter not fixing this. What's the difference between the language / framework..? Framework being the phobos library? Jeremy | |||
March 02, 2006 Re: Bool {post,pre}{inc,dec}-operators | ||||
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Posted in reply to Jeremy | Jeremy wrote:
> In article <du4sp7$1e50$2@digitaldaemon.com>, Kyle Furlong says...
>> Jeremy wrote:
>>> In article <du2qrk$61u$2@digitaldaemon.com>, Kyle Furlong says...
>>>> Oskar Linde wrote:
>>>>> bool a = 0;
>>>>> --a;
>>>>> assert(a == false || a == true); // FAILS(!) (a is set to 255)
>>>>>
>>>>> bool t = true;
>>>>> bool b = t+t;
>>>>> assert(b == true); //OK
>>>>> bool c = 0;
>>>>> c++;
>>>>> c++;
>>>>> assert(c == true || c == false); // FAILS
>>>>>
>>>>> But:
>>>>>
>>>>> bool d = 0;
>>>>> d += 2;
>>>>> assert(d == true || d == false); // OK
>>>>>
>>>>> /Oskar
>
>>>> This makes me sick to my stomach. I thought D was a beautiful language, but now I dont know.
>>> bools were *just* added... I'm sure Walter will fix these things -- don't go
>>> degrading the entire language because a brand new feature in a beta release is
>>> buggy. Keep up the good work... anyway, how often do you get to yell directly to
>>> the language's creator to get it made just the way you want it? :-D
>>>
>>> - Jeremy
>> Here's the thing though: Even if I and others yell and scream and tear our hair out, Walter will implement it how he wants anyways. And yes, I sill think D is the best language around. (D the Language, not D the Framework)
>
> Hrm.. I'm rather a D newbie :-D but it seems to be just what I want (given some
> time for things to become stable anyway). SO, I don't know how stubborn he is
> (or not) -- but this bool thing seems pretty crazy to leave as-is.. I couldn't
> imagine Walter not fixing this.
>
> What's the difference between the language / framework..? Framework being the
> phobos library?
>
> Jeremy
The D language is a specification for a high level programming language. The D Framework is the compilers, debuggers, IDE's, and command line tools, libraries, or lack there of, which help with writing, building, debugging, and maintaining programs written in the D language.
IMHO, the D language is a beautiful thing, however the D framework is very much lacking as compared to Java, .NET, even C++.
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March 02, 2006 Re: Bool {post,pre}{inc,dec}-operators | ||||
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Posted in reply to Kyle Furlong | In article <du5fi2$28c7$1@digitaldaemon.com>, Kyle Furlong says... > >Jeremy wrote: >> In article <du4sp7$1e50$2@digitaldaemon.com>, Kyle Furlong says... >>> Jeremy wrote: >>>> In article <du2qrk$61u$2@digitaldaemon.com>, Kyle Furlong says... >>>>> Oskar Linde wrote: >>>>>> bool a = 0; >>>>>> --a; >>>>>> assert(a == false || a == true); // FAILS(!) (a is set to 255) >>>>>> >>>>>> bool t = true; >>>>>> bool b = t+t; >>>>>> assert(b == true); //OK >>>>>> bool c = 0; >>>>>> c++; >>>>>> c++; >>>>>> assert(c == true || c == false); // FAILS >>>>>> >>>>>> But: >>>>>> >>>>>> bool d = 0; >>>>>> d += 2; >>>>>> assert(d == true || d == false); // OK >>>>>> >>>>>> /Oskar >> >>>>> This makes me sick to my stomach. I thought D was a beautiful language, but now I dont know. >>>> bools were *just* added... I'm sure Walter will fix these things -- don't go degrading the entire language because a brand new feature in a beta release is buggy. Keep up the good work... anyway, how often do you get to yell directly to the language's creator to get it made just the way you want it? :-D >>>> >>>> - Jeremy >>> Here's the thing though: Even if I and others yell and scream and tear our hair out, Walter will implement it how he wants anyways. And yes, I sill think D is the best language around. (D the Language, not D the Framework) >> >> Hrm.. I'm rather a D newbie :-D but it seems to be just what I want (given some time for things to become stable anyway). SO, I don't know how stubborn he is (or not) -- but this bool thing seems pretty crazy to leave as-is.. I couldn't imagine Walter not fixing this. >> >> What's the difference between the language / framework..? Framework being the phobos library? >> >> Jeremy > >The D language is a specification for a high level programming language. The D Framework is the compilers, debuggers, IDE's, and command line tools, libraries, or lack there of, which help with writing, building, debugging, and maintaining programs written in the D language. > >IMHO, the D language is a beautiful thing, however the D framework is very much lacking as compared to Java, .NET, even C++. It is lacking... but this is mainly because it is so new, and that the language isn't very stable yet. Once a good IDE comes out for both Windows and Linux (LEDs port to Windows please?) and the compiler reaches a v1.0 state (with bool's fixed) -- I believe things will pick up. I also hope library support picks up, integrate DDL to help that out into the standard? Jeremy | |||
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