Florian Sonnenberger wrote:
> nick schrieb:
>> Tydr Schnubbis wrote:
>>> And maybe dprogramming.com could become the address?  Probably wouldn't hurt to ask.
>> That is a good idea; we could ask. On the other hand, digitalmars.com/d is already a top hit on google.
> 
> I don't think that's so problematic.
> 
> If Walter sets a 301 HTTP redirect from digitalmars.com/d to (for
> example) dprogramming.com, Google will follow the redirect and will
> realize that the url has changed.
> But don't ask me how this redirecting actually works. ;)
> 
> Hmm, and then every site that mentions the old address would have to update their links.
> 
> Google describes this at http://www.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=9071&topic=363
> 
> Florian

Very true. We would have to make arrangements with the owner of dprogramming.com. I will shoot him an email later today.

Tydr Schnubbis wrote:
> nick wrote:
>> Tydr Schnubbis wrote:
>>> nick wrote:
>>
>>>> http://hcoop.net/~natamas/d/template.html (improvements pending)
>>>
>>> Somehow I think this one looks a lot better.  It was posted in another thread:
>>>
>>> http://img114.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mockup5ey.jpg
>>>
>>> It's simpler and I like the colors better.
>> That's not a layout. It's a JPEG. It is not possible to implement that JPEG in HTML without relying heavily on tables (I only use one table).
>>
> Why not? It doesn't have be done pixel by pixel.  Look at this: http://csszengarden.com/?cssfile=/099/099.css
> 
> No tables there.

Yes, and the layout also does not resize with the window. Even worse, it breaks completely when you change font size. It is unacceptable.

xs0 wrote:
> Walter Bright wrote:
>> Lars Ivar Igesund wrote:
>>
>>> Walter Bright wrote:
>>>
>>>> www.d.com is already taken :-(
>>>
>>>
>>> Not taken, reserved I think. Together with all other letters it seems.
>>
>>
>> It's a squatter with a "make offer".
> 
> how about d-lang.com/net/org ? Dotster says it's available...

That's a leading contender.

Justin C Calvarese wrote:
> Walter Bright wrote:
>> It's a good idea, and it's ok with me if it's ok with Justin.
> 
> Really, I don't see how it's my decision. I didn't establish Wiki4D. (That was Helmut Leitner.) I don't even host the wiki. (Again, that's Helmut Leitner.)

My mistake. It's ok with me if it's ok with Helmut <g>.

nick wrote:
> Justin C Calvarese wrote:
>> Walter Bright wrote:
> 
>>> It's a good idea, and it's ok with me if it's ok with Justin.

That should be Helmut!

> 
>> The content of is Wiki4D licensed under the Free Document License
>> (http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?FreeDocumentationLicense): "In
>> short: you may use, copy and change them, but the origin and your
>> changes must be transparent and you must keep their FDL status. All the
>> details should be taken from the original document made available by the
>> GNU organisation...".
> 
> Fantastic; that's a green light for copying the content.

True, but even so, Helmut has taken the initiative on it, done a lot of work on it, and deserves thanks and consideration regarding any changes.

Tydr Schnubbis wrote:
> nick wrote:
>> Tydr Schnubbis wrote:
>>> nick wrote:
>>
>>>> http://hcoop.net/~natamas/d/template.html (improvements pending)
>>>
>>> Somehow I think this one looks a lot better.  It was posted in another thread:
>>>
>>> http://img114.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mockup5ey.jpg
>>>
>>> It's simpler and I like the colors better.
>> That's not a layout. It's a JPEG. It is not possible to implement that JPEG in HTML without relying heavily on tables (I only use one table).
>>
> Why not? It doesn't have be done pixel by pixel.  Look at this: http://csszengarden.com/?cssfile=/099/099.css
> 
> No tables there.

Here is an example of how much my layout can zoom (your browser will probably scale that down; make sure to look at it real size): http://www.hcoop.net/~natamas/d/d_zoom.png

You want to be as font-size independent as possible. The csszengarden layout expect you to be at the default font size.

On Sat, 06 May 2006 19:09:41 -0400, Walter Bright <newshound@digitalmars.com> wrote:

> xs0 wrote:
>> Walter Bright wrote:
>>> Lars Ivar Igesund wrote:
>>>
>>>> Walter Bright wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> www.d.com is already taken :-(
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not taken, reserved I think. Together with all other letters it seems.
>>>
>>>
>>> It's a squatter with a "make offer".
>>  how about d-lang.com/net/org ? Dotster says it's available...
>
> That's a leading contender.

I don't particularly like dashes in domains. I do like dlanguage.com - it's available.

nick wrote:
> Yes, and the layout also does not resize with the window. Even worse, it
> breaks completely when you change font size. It is unacceptable.

I agree. My father has low vision, and he's hardly unique. So he needs to be able to boost the font size.

Any layout that:

1) does not work with user font size changes

2) does not allow user resizing of the windows

3) is not accessible to those using screen readers

4) uses a specified font size, rather than a relative size

5) has colors that would be difficult for color blind people to distinguish (I'm no expert on this, but I think it means that the difference between foreground and background colors should include an intensity difference, not just a color difference)

is not acceptable.

Also, serif fonts are less readable on bitmapped displays. The fonts should be sans-serif, like Arial or Helvetica.

Walter Bright wrote:
> nick wrote:
>> Justin C Calvarese wrote:
>>> Walter Bright wrote:
>>
>>>> It's a good idea, and it's ok with me if it's ok with Justin.
> 
> That should be Helmut!
> 
>>
>>> The content of is Wiki4D licensed under the Free Document License (http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?FreeDocumentationLicense): "In short: you may use, copy and change them, but the origin and your changes must be transparent and you must keep their FDL status. All the details should be taken from the original document made available by the GNU organisation...".
>>
>> Fantastic; that's a green light for copying the content.
> 
> True, but even so, Helmut has taken the initiative on it, done a lot of work on it, and deserves thanks and consideration regarding any changes.

Yes, despite being published under the free doc license, I would feel much better about copying content if I had the authors' permissions.

I think Helmut feels very strongly about the wiki4d.
Apparently, prowiki is quite popular in Germany. It doesn't seem to show
up on wikipedia's wiki comparison chart though.

The following things matter in a wiki:
 - wiki engine must stack up well here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_wiki_software

 - wiki engine must produces modern html

 - wiki's URL has to show that it's part of the official D site (e.g.
wiki.dprogramming.com or wiki.digitalmars.com)

 - wiki should look like the rest of the official D site.

 - desirable bonus: wiki should automatically highlight D code or
provide plugins such that a code highlighter may be written.

If only more designers followed those rules...

Sorry, just had to say it.  I deal with this sorta stuff at work.

-[Unknown]


> nick wrote:
>> Yes, and the layout also does not resize with the window. Even worse, it
>> breaks completely when you change font size. It is unacceptable.
> 
> I agree. My father has low vision, and he's hardly unique. So he needs to be able to boost the font size.
> 
> Any layout that:
> 
> 1) does not work with user font size changes
> 
> 2) does not allow user resizing of the windows
> 
> 3) is not accessible to those using screen readers
> 
> 4) uses a specified font size, rather than a relative size
> 
> 5) has colors that would be difficult for color blind people to distinguish (I'm no expert on this, but I think it means that the difference between foreground and background colors should include an intensity difference, not just a color difference)
> 
> is not acceptable.
> 
> Also, serif fonts are less readable on bitmapped displays. The fonts should be sans-serif, like Arial or Helvetica.