On 6/13/2013 1:56 PM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
> I will when you can show me a stock you can live in :P

Again, we were talking about the financial pros and cons of buying a house vs renting. The utility issue is therefore moot.

On 13/06/13 19:19, Peter Alexander wrote:
> On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 09:06:00 UTC, Don wrote:
>> Mono-D and Eclipse DDT both have major problems with long pauses while
>> typing (eg 15 seconds unresponsive) and crashes. Both of them even
>> have "modules of death" where just viewing the file will cause a
>> crash. If you're unlucky enough to get one of those open in your
>> default workspace file, the IDE will crash at startup...
>
> That doesn't surprise me.
>
> I really do highly recommend Sublime Text. It was created by a former
> game dev, and he really, really cares about performance. I've opened
> binary files in it that are hundreds of megs and it doesn't even flinch.
> Just loads it up, and then you can scroll through it or jump around at
> full speed with no pauses or momentary glitches. I can't recommend it
> highly enough.
>
> http://www.sublimetext.com/

Geany works well for me.  Syntax highlighting and a symbols navigation sidebar.  Plus there is a customizable "snippets" facility (e.g. type "class" hit TAB and you get the shell of a class formatted how you like it, etc) if you like that type of thing.

I believe that it's available for Linux, Mac and Windows.

Peter
PS On the subject of snippets, does any one know how to get a D specific .gitignore added to github's new repo interface?  Currently, I just ask for the C one but D not being in the list of offerings makes it look like a second class language.

On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 19:18:58 -0400, Walter Bright <newshound2@digitalmars.com> wrote:

> On 6/13/2013 1:56 PM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
>> I will when you can show me a stock you can live in :P
>
> Again, we were talking about the financial pros and cons of buying a house vs renting. The utility issue is therefore moot.

That is where this started, but it's not what we were last discussing.  The utility issue is not moot, it's never moot, because you have to live somewhere.

Unless you're lucky (?) enough to live in your parents' basement rent free.

-Steve

On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 23:19:03 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
> Again, we were talking about the financial pros and cons of buying a house vs renting. The utility issue is therefore moot.

The utility though is mathematically equivalent to the house cutting you a check each year for the difference of property taxes, insurance, and repairs and rent though. Which is virtually guaranteed to be a positive number because the landlord has to pay all that too, and presumably wants to turn a profit on top of it.

It is fair to balance that against the downsides of mortgage interest and equity loss, but even if we assume 100% of the principle is just flushed down the toilet, it is quite possible for the utility to still be worth it in dollar terms, especially over 30 or more years of living in the house.

Maybe not as big a gain as stocks or whatever, but also very low risk. Even safe stocks can dip right when you want to use it - imagine wanting to retire in 1930 - but you'll still be able to live in your house (and if it burns down, at least you have insurance so that isn't a total loss either).

On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 09:19:33 UTC, Peter Alexander wrote:
> On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 09:06:00 UTC, Don wrote:
>> Mono-D and Eclipse DDT both have major problems with long pauses while typing (eg 15 seconds unresponsive) and crashes. Both of them even have "modules of death" where just viewing the file will cause a crash. If you're unlucky enough to get one of those open in your default workspace file, the IDE will crash at startup...
>
> That doesn't surprise me.
>
> I really do highly recommend Sublime Text. It was created by a former game dev, and he really, really cares about performance. I've opened binary files in it that are hundreds of megs and it doesn't even flinch. Just loads it up, and then you can scroll through it or jump around at full speed with no pauses or momentary glitches. I can't recommend it highly enough.
>
> http://www.sublimetext.com/

Very good editor, but as of stability, this isn't the best? I ca, make it crash quite easily. However, ti is really fast, including recovery after crash.

Am Fri, 14 Jun 2013 00:30:24 +0200
schrieb "Peter Alexander" <peter.alexander.au@gmail.com>:

> On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 20:19:06 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
> > The differences between a graphical debugger and gdb are fairly
> > interesting in
> > that all the basic stuff is just way easier and more pleasant
> > in a graphical
> > debugger, but gdb has all kinds of advanced stuff that tends to
> > blow graphical
> > debuggers out of the water in terms of power.
> 
> What can gdb do in particular that Visual Studio can't?

Can the visual studio debugger show the contents of registers? I found this quite useful when debugging unit test failures related to floating point code in gdc. info float shows the contents of the floating point stack, status register and control register.

I know gdb is scriptable with python but I never used that.
Batch execution of commands is especially nice when used with dustmite
(https://github.com/CyberShadow/DustMite/wiki/Detecting-a-specific-segfault).

On 6/13/2013 7:14 PM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
> The utility though is mathematically equivalent to the house cutting you a check
> each year for the difference of property taxes, insurance, and repairs and rent
> though. Which is virtually guaranteed to be a positive number because the
> landlord has to pay all that too, and presumably wants to turn a profit on top
> of it.

Actually, real estate prices greatly outpaced the rents a few years ago, which is not surprisingly a strong sign of a bubble. It is not at all virtually guaranteed (not even remotely guaranteed) that rents will bring in more than the cost of the building. (People building apartment buildings go bust all the time.)

A landlord cannot simply charge more - he can only charge the market rate. Landlords will often accept a losing rent agreement just to avoid losing even more money with an empty unit.


> Maybe not as big a gain as stocks or whatever, but also very low risk. Even safe
> stocks can dip right when you want to use it - imagine wanting to retire in 1930
> - but you'll still be able to live in your house (and if it burns down, at least
> you have insurance so that isn't a total loss either).

I understand the argument, but I believe the risk is much higher than others perceive it to be.

Let's address the situation of having paid off the house, and owning it free and clear. What it's "costing" you is the opportunity cost of the money you could sell the house for. If your house is worth $200,000, if you sold it and collected the $200,000, you could invest that money and get a return. Then, to do a proper comparison, you'd compare that return against the cost of renting.

Really, nothing fundamental changes once you pay off the mortgage.

On 2013-06-13 22:12, Don wrote:

> Must not be worse than Notepad. <g>
> I don't have any requirements. I *only* care about stability at this point.
> I'm not personally looking for an IDE. I'm more a command line guy.

Give Sublime a try.

> D has fifty people contributing to the compiler, but only two or three
> working on IDEs. We need a couple more.
> And that's really all I'm saying.

I agree.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg

On 2013-06-13 22:42, Walter Bright wrote:

> May I present MicroEmacs:
>
> https://github.com/DigitalMars/med

Only Linux and Windows support?

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg

On 2013-06-13 22:18, Jonathan M Davis wrote:

> The differences between a graphical debugger and gdb are fairly interesting in
> that all the basic stuff is just way easier and more pleasant in a graphical
> debugger, but gdb has all kinds of advanced stuff that tends to blow graphical
> debuggers out of the water in terms of power.
>
> It would probably be best if the two could be properly combined so that all of
> stuff that does better graphically is done in a proper graphical debugger, but
> you have a command-line interface integrated into it for the more advanced
> stuff. You can at least sort of get that with some front-ends to gdb, but their
> graphical portion is never as good as it should be IMHO. Visual Studio
> definitely wins in that area.

All graphical debuggers I have used (Eclipse, Xcode) are using GDB or LLDB as a backend. They all provide a command line for entering commands directly.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg