http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/26m8hy/scott_meyers_dconf_2014_keynote_the_last_thing_d/

https://news.ycombinator.com/newest (search that page, if not found click "More" and search again)

https://www.facebook.com/dlang.org/posts/855022447844771

https://twitter.com/D_Programming/status/471330026168651777


Andrei

On 5/27/2014 12:42 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
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What? Andrei's keynote isn't first? :(

Nonetheless, this Scott Meyers talk is fantastic (and a good choice for "first released").

Only one thing could've made this better: When the MC finishes his intro, there should be some heavy rock music and laser lights while Scott comes up on stage. :)  Oh well, maybe next year...Who's got the fog machine?

On Tuesday, 27 May 2014 at 16:42:35 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/26m8hy/scott_meyers_dconf_2014_keynote_the_last_thing_d/

Thanks, is it possible to put it on Youtube as well? Ustream stutters every second from where I am which makes me feel sorry for the speaker…

Great, but I think this should be on youtube too, reasons for this is the possibility to change resolution and other features like subtitles for foreigners etc.

Matheus.

That was brilliant. I think Scott made two very good points. D needs people like himself to educate others, and that D should focus on behaviour which makes sense not only in a particular context, but with respect to the other contexts. (Which is what C++ lacks greatly.)

On Tue, 27 May 2014 14:57:46 -0400, w0rp <devw0rp@gmail.com> wrote:

> That was brilliant. I think Scott made two very good points. D needs people like himself to educate others

I think you misunderstood that point ;) He was saying to make D so that we DON'T need specialists like himself that can make a career out of explaining the strange quirks of D, mostly by not having those quirks in the first place.

-Steve

On 5/27/14, 2:57 PM, w0rp wrote:
> That was brilliant. I think Scott made two very good points. D needs
> people like himself to educate others, and that D should focus on
> behaviour which makes sense not only in a particular context, but with
> respect to the other contexts. (Which is what C++ lacks greatly.)

Really? What I got out of it was that D doesn't need people like him because his job is to explain the inconsistencies of the language. By designing a consistent language in the first place, people can readily understand it in all context thereby eliminating the need for people like him.

At roughly 04:55 he says:

"I am a professional explainer. That's my job. Who knew that you can have a job doing that? Turns out you can actually make a career of it."

He gives a slew of examples of kind of things he's got to explain on a daily basis and closes out the whole thing with:

"The message that I bring to the D Community, based on my experience with with C++, is that the last thing D needs is somebody like me."

On Tuesday, 27 May 2014 at 19:44:01 UTC, Andrew Edwards wrote:
> Really? What I got out of it was that D doesn't need people like him because his job is to explain the inconsistencies of the language. By designing a consistent language in the first place, people can readily understand it in all context thereby eliminating the need for people like him.

Another point is that D is still small enough that we have time to fix things before they get out of control.

(One of my favorite parts of this talk is when he points out that you need parenthesis in a specific kind of lambda just because the committee forgot to update the grammar specification.)

On Tuesday, 27 May 2014 at 19:43:57 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
> On Tue, 27 May 2014 14:57:46 -0400, w0rp <devw0rp@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> That was brilliant. I think Scott made two very good points. D needs people like himself to educate others
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> I think you misunderstood that point ;) He was saying to make D so that we DON'T need specialists like himself that can make a career out of explaining the strange quirks of D, mostly by not having those quirks in the first place.
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> -Steve

Oh, I see what he's saying now. The *last* thing. That's... confusing use of English. It makes more sense with respect to his other comment, though.

On Tue, 27 May 2014 16:11:12 -0400, w0rp <devw0rp@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tuesday, 27 May 2014 at 19:43:57 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
>> On Tue, 27 May 2014 14:57:46 -0400, w0rp <devw0rp@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> That was brilliant. I think Scott made two very good points. D needs people like himself to educate others
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>> I think you misunderstood that point ;) He was saying to make D so that we DON'T need specialists like himself that can make a career out of explaining the strange quirks of D, mostly by not having those quirks in the first place.
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>> -Steve
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> Oh, I see what he's saying now. The *last* thing. That's... confusing use of English.

Yes, it's a common phrase.

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/british/the-last-thing-you-want-need-etc

Basically it means something you definitely DON'T need.

-Steve