On Tuesday, 27 May 2014 at 20:11:13 UTC, w0rp wrote:
> On Tuesday, 27 May 2014 at 19:43:57 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
>> On Tue, 27 May 2014 14:57:46 -0400, w0rp <devw0rp@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> That was brilliant. I think Scott made two very good points. D needs people like himself to educate others
>>
>> I think you misunderstood that point ;) He was saying to make D so that we DON'T need specialists like himself that can make a career out of explaining the strange quirks of D, mostly by not having those quirks in the first place.
>>
>> -Steve
>
> Oh, I see what he's saying now. The *last* thing. That's... confusing use of English. It makes more sense with respect to his other comment, though.

Sometimes I think English could use a guy like him.

On Tuesday, 27 May 2014 at 21:16:34 UTC, Chris Nicholson-Sauls wrote:
> On Tuesday, 27 May 2014 at 20:11:13 UTC, w0rp wrote:
>> On Tuesday, 27 May 2014 at 19:43:57 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
>>> On Tue, 27 May 2014 14:57:46 -0400, w0rp <devw0rp@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That was brilliant. I think Scott made two very good points. D needs people like himself to educate others
>>>
>>> I think you misunderstood that point ;) He was saying to make D so that we DON'T need specialists like himself that can make a career out of explaining the strange quirks of D, mostly by not having those quirks in the first place.
>>>
>>> -Steve
>>
>> Oh, I see what he's saying now. The *last* thing. That's... confusing use of English. It makes more sense with respect to his other comment, though.
>
> Sometimes I think English could use a guy like him.

I'm actually a native speaker of 25 years and I didn't get it at first. Natural language communicates ideas approximately.

On 5/27/2014 2:22 PM, w0rp wrote:
> I'm actually a native speaker of 25 years and I didn't get it at first. Natural
> language communicates ideas approximately.

What bugs me is when people say:

   I could care less.

when they mean:

   I couldn't care less.


and:

   If you think that, you have another thing coming.

when they mean:

   If you think that, you have another think coming.

On 27/05/2014 18:43, "Ola Fosheim Grøstad" <ola.fosheim.grostad+dlang@gmail.com>" wrote:
> On Tuesday, 27 May 2014 at 16:42:35 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/26m8hy/scott_meyers_dconf_2014_keynote_the_last_thing_d/
>>
> 
> Thanks, is it possible to put it on Youtube as well? Ustream stutters every second from where I am which makes me feel sorry for the speaker…

http://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/ helps with the stutter.

On 5/27/2014 6:10 PM, Johannes Totz wrote:
> On 27/05/2014 18:43, "Ola Fosheim Grøstad"
> <ola.fosheim.grostad+dlang@gmail.com>" wrote:
>> On Tuesday, 27 May 2014 at 16:42:35 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>>> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/26m8hy/scott_meyers_dconf_2014_keynote_the_last_thing_d/
>>>
>>
>> Thanks, is it possible to put it on Youtube as well? Ustream stutters
>> every second from where I am which makes me feel sorry for the speaker…
>
> http://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/ helps with the stutter.
>

Or this FF extension (which is what I normally use):

http://www.downloadhelper.net/

Brian Schott, el 27 de May a las 20:03 me escribiste:
> On Tuesday, 27 May 2014 at 19:44:01 UTC, Andrew Edwards wrote:
> >Really? What I got out of it was that D doesn't need people like him because his job is to explain the inconsistencies of the language. By designing a consistent language in the first place, people can readily understand it in all context thereby eliminating the need for people like him.
> 
> Another point is that D is still small enough that we have time to fix things before they get out of control.
> 
> (One of my favorite parts of this talk is when he points out that you need parenthesis in a specific kind of lambda just because the committee forgot to update the grammar specification.)

This is very related to Don's message of last year's talk about ROI of breaking changes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmwKRYrfEyY#t=30m55s

-- 
Leandro Lucarella (AKA luca)                     http://llucax.com.ar/
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Y serán tiempos de vanos encuentros entre humano y humano; en que las
fieras se comerán entre ellas y después del final; en que se abríran las
tierras y los cielos... y en el medio de la nada Racing saldrá campeón.
	-- Ricardo Vaporeso

On Tuesday, 27 May 2014 at 22:10:02 UTC, Johannes Totz wrote:

>> Thanks, is it possible to put it on Youtube as well? Ustream stutters
>> every second from where I am which makes me feel sorry for the speaker…
>
> http://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/ helps with the stutter.

+1

On Tuesday, 27 May 2014 at 16:42:35 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/26m8hy/scott_meyers_dconf_2014_keynote_the_last_thing_d/
>
> https://news.ycombinator.com/newest (search that page, if not found click "More" and search again)
>
> https://www.facebook.com/dlang.org/posts/855022447844771
>
> https://twitter.com/D_Programming/status/471330026168651777
>
>
> Andrei

I did a translation of most of the code in the slides.

http://dpaste.dzfl.pl/72b5cfcb72e4

I'm planning to transform it into blog post (or series). Right now it just has some scratch notes. Feel free to let me know everything I got wrong.

> I did a translation of most of the code in the slides.
>
> http://dpaste.dzfl.pl/72b5cfcb72e4
>
> I'm planning to transform it into blog post (or series). Right now it just has some scratch notes. Feel free to let me know everything I got wrong.

That's a good idea. I think most of us did that while listening to the talk. I kept telling myself: 'oh wait, that'd simpler in D' or 'that does not exist in D'.

As for the class inheritance problem, I'd also be interested in an answer.

On Wednesday, 28 May 2014 at 05:30:18 UTC, Philippe Sigaud via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
>> I did a translation of most of the code in the slides.
>>
>> http://dpaste.dzfl.pl/72b5cfcb72e4
>>
>> I'm planning to transform it into blog post (or series). Right now it just
>> has some scratch notes. Feel free to let me know everything I got wrong.
>
> That's a good idea. I think most of us did that while listening to the
> talk. I kept telling myself: 'oh wait, that'd simpler in D' or 'that
> does not exist in D'.
>
> As for the class inheritance problem, I'd also be interested in an answer.

When he explained why C++ inferred a const int type as int, he tripped me up because D does drop const for value types. But D does the simple to explain thing, may not be the expected thing (seen questions about it in D.learn), but it is simple to explain.