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https://wiki.dlang.org/Vision/2016H2 -- Andrei |
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Posted in reply to Andrei Alexandrescu | On 07/07/2016 03:55 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> https://wiki.dlang.org/Vision/2016H2 -- Andrei
Please provide feedback. We'll make a couple more passes before this is complete. Thanks! -- Andrei
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Posted in reply to Andrei Alexandrescu | On Thu, Jul 07, 2016 at 03:55:51PM -0400, Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: > https://wiki.dlang.org/Vision/2016H2 -- Andrei Under "safety and memory management", what about adding "plug existing known loopholes in @safe"? Recently Walter has been fixing a series of compiler bugs related to @safe, which is a very promising development, but we're not quite there yet: https://issues.dlang.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=safe&list_id=209407&resolution=--- The @safe cheesegrater still has (quite) a few more holes to plug. T -- Gone Chopin. Bach in a minuet. |
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Posted in reply to H. S. Teoh | On 7/7/16 4:16 PM, H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 07, 2016 at 03:55:51PM -0400, Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
>> https://wiki.dlang.org/Vision/2016H2 -- Andrei
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> Under "safety and memory management", what about adding "plug existing
> known loopholes in @safe"?
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> Recently Walter has been fixing a series of compiler bugs related to
> @safe, which is a very promising development, but we're not quite there
> yet:
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> https://issues.dlang.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=safe&list_id=209407&resolution=---
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> The @safe cheesegrater still has (quite) a few more holes to plug.
Added: "Fix all errors in language design and implementation that allow unsafe behavior in @safe code." Thanks! -- Andrei
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Posted in reply to Andrei Alexandrescu | On 7/7/16 12:55 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
> https://wiki.dlang.org/Vision/2016H2 -- Andrei
In the release management section, I'd like to see some priority placed on regressions. There was a time that releases were held until those where addressed. It was only a couple releases, but the list did get down to just 1 that was deemed not blocking (I don't remember the details).
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Posted in reply to Andrei Alexandrescu | On Thu, Jul 07, 2016 at 03:55:51PM -0400, Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: > https://wiki.dlang.org/Vision/2016H2 -- Andrei Under "raising participation", are there any concrete steps that can be taken to realize this goal? Given that last quarter we failed to achieve the target number of PRs, it seems that specifying more concrete steps would be a first step to actually reaching the goal, instead of merely hoping things would somehow just come together. T -- Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power. -- Abraham Lincoln |
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Posted in reply to Brad Roberts | On 7/7/16 4:33 PM, Brad Roberts via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
> On 7/7/16 12:55 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
>> https://wiki.dlang.org/Vision/2016H2 -- Andrei
>
> In the release management section, I'd like to see some priority placed
> on regressions. There was a time that releases were held until those
> where addressed. It was only a couple releases, but the list did get
> down to just 1 that was deemed not blocking (I don't remember the details).
Added a sentence: "Regressions should be paid utmost attention." Thanks! -- Andrei
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Posted in reply to Andrei Alexandrescu | On 7/7/16 3:55 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: > https://wiki.dlang.org/Vision/2016H2 -- Andrei In the next pass I will integrate https://wiki.dlang.org/Walter_Andrei_Action_List#Walter_and_Andrei.27s_Action_List within the vision document. We're already stretched thin organizationally, and need to cut down on overhead and bureaucracy. Last thing we want is yet another document to maintain. -- Andrei |
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Posted in reply to Andrei Alexandrescu | On Thursday, 7 July 2016 at 19:56:29 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: > On 07/07/2016 03:55 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: >> https://wiki.dlang.org/Vision/2016H2 -- Andrei > > Please provide feedback. We'll make a couple more passes before this is complete. Thanks! -- Andrei I agree that you should explain how it is planned to achieve "Raising participation". Here's an idea: Create an outreach/PR team, with the following tasks a) "Recruitment" --------------- - Issue official press releases from the D foundation for major milestones and releases - Improve the newcomer experience (aka your first five minutes) - Find ways to inspire developers to get more in touch and inspire their community - Find sponsors/members organizations for the D foundation once it's official - Help and encourage others to create online course & learning material about D - Reach out to interested universities and assist them in their leading role See also: http://dlang.org/areas-of-d-usage.html#teaching b) Brand awareness ------------------ - consider to use the new design from the DConf16 - provide (or better: sell) small branding items (stickers, posters, T-shirts, ...) - make the #DlangMan culture more mainstream (atm it's mostly Japanese) Another main point that I couldn't see at the moment is: User experience --------------- - better error messages & diagnostics (e.g. DIP83) - afaik macOS still doesn't show line numbers - create a Dlang survey (like the Rust survey) for feedback (e.g. with PR group from above) |
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Posted in reply to H. S. Teoh | On 7/7/2016 1:16 PM, H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: > Recently Walter has been fixing a series of compiler bugs related to > @safe, which is a very promising development, but we're not quite there > yet: > > https://issues.dlang.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=safe&list_id=209407&resolution=--- > > The @safe cheesegrater still has (quite) a few more holes to plug. Most of those are resolved. Here's a better link: https://issues.dlang.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&keywords=safe&keywords_type=allwords&list_id=209410&query_format=advanced 19 of which are in DMD, down from around 40 a month ago. The remainder are mostly due to 'scope' not being implemented. |
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