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January 09, 2008 Fat Libraries vs. Programming Skills? | ||||
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Fat Libraries vs. Programming Skills? http://www.stsc.hill.af.mil/crosstalk/2008/01/0801dewarschonberg.html -manfred |
January 09, 2008 Re: Fat Libraries vs. Programming Skills? | ||||
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Posted in reply to Manfred Nowak | Manfred Nowak wrote:
> Fat Libraries vs. Programming Skills?
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> http://www.stsc.hill.af.mil/crosstalk/2008/01/0801dewarschonberg.html
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> -manfred
As a current CS undergrad, I can say that I learned 90% of what I know about PROGRAMMING outside of class (either on an internship, an open-source project, or just messing around and being nerdy), and the other 10% from two of my classes (one high school AP class that focused on data structures, and one class on shell scripting and practical computer skills).
I think Java isn't necessarily a bad teaching tool for the reasons they mention, but I think a lower-level imperative language should come first. Java should be introduced after Smalltalk or something to show many of the advantages of safe, happy, VM programming and why object-oriented programming leads to good software design.
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January 09, 2008 Re: Fat Libraries vs. Programming Skills? | ||||
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Posted in reply to Robert Fraser | The link doesnt work
Robert Fraser wrote:
> Manfred Nowak wrote:
>> Fat Libraries vs. Programming Skills?
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>> http://www.stsc.hill.af.mil/crosstalk/2008/01/0801dewarschonberg.html
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>> -manfred
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> As a current CS undergrad, I can say that I learned 90% of what I know about PROGRAMMING outside of class (either on an internship, an open-source project, or just messing around and being nerdy), and the other 10% from two of my classes (one high school AP class that focused on data structures, and one class on shell scripting and practical computer skills).
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> I think Java isn't necessarily a bad teaching tool for the reasons they mention, but I think a lower-level imperative language should come first. Java should be introduced after Smalltalk or something to show many of the advantages of safe, happy, VM programming and why object-oriented programming leads to good software design.
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January 09, 2008 Re: Fat Libraries vs. Programming Skills? | ||||
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Posted in reply to Adil | Neither for me. :(
Adil wrote:
> The link doesnt work
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> Robert Fraser wrote:
>> Manfred Nowak wrote:
>>> Fat Libraries vs. Programming Skills?
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>>> http://www.stsc.hill.af.mil/crosstalk/2008/01/0801dewarschonberg.html
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>>> -manfred
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>> As a current CS undergrad, I can say that I learned 90% of what I know about PROGRAMMING outside of class (either on an internship, an open-source project, or just messing around and being nerdy), and the other 10% from two of my classes (one high school AP class that focused on data structures, and one class on shell scripting and practical computer skills).
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>> I think Java isn't necessarily a bad teaching tool for the reasons they mention, but I think a lower-level imperative language should come first. Java should be introduced after Smalltalk or something to show many of the advantages of safe, happy, VM programming and why object-oriented programming leads to good software design.
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January 09, 2008 Re: Fat Libraries vs. Programming Skills? | ||||
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Posted in reply to Ary Borenszweig | Ary Borenszweig wrote
> Neither for me. :(
I have rechecked the link. No problems here.
-manfred
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January 09, 2008 Re: Fat Libraries vs. Programming Skills? | ||||
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Posted in reply to Manfred Nowak | On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 01:37:40 +0400, Manfred Nowak <svv1999@hotmail.com> wrote: > Ary Borenszweig wrote > >> Neither for me. :( > > I have rechecked the link. No problems here. > > -manfred > I'm getting a : Network Error (dns_server_failure) -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ |
January 09, 2008 Re: Fat Libraries vs. Programming Skills? | ||||
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Posted in reply to Adil | Adil wrote: > On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 01:37:40 +0400, Manfred Nowak <svv1999@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Ary Borenszweig wrote >> >>> Neither for me. :( >> >> I have rechecked the link. No problems here. >> >> -manfred >> > > I'm getting a : > > Network Error (dns_server_failure) Try: http://137.241.248.34/CrossTalk/2008/01/0801DewarSchonberg.html Sean |
January 09, 2008 Re: Fat Libraries vs. Programming Skills? | ||||
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Posted in reply to Sean Kelly | On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 01:54:55 +0400, Sean Kelly <sean@f4.ca> wrote: > Adil wrote: >> On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 01:37:40 +0400, Manfred Nowak <svv1999@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Ary Borenszweig wrote >>> >>>> Neither for me. :( >>> >>> I have rechecked the link. No problems here. >>> >>> -manfred >>> >> I'm getting a : >> Network Error (dns_server_failure) > > Try: > > http://137.241.248.34/CrossTalk/2008/01/0801DewarSchonberg.html > > > Sean > Nope. : Network Error (tcp_error) A communication error occurred: "" -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ |
January 09, 2008 Re: Fat Libraries vs. Programming Skills? | ||||
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Posted in reply to Adil | Adil wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 01:54:55 +0400, Sean Kelly <sean@f4.ca> wrote:
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>> Adil wrote:
>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 01:37:40 +0400, Manfred Nowak <svv1999@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> Ary Borenszweig wrote
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>>>>> Neither for me. :(
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>>>> I have rechecked the link. No problems here.
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>>>> -manfred
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>>> I'm getting a :
>>> Network Error (dns_server_failure)
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>> Try:
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>> http://137.241.248.34/CrossTalk/2008/01/0801DewarSchonberg.html
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>> Sean
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> Nope. :
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> Network Error (tcp_error)
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> A communication error occurred: ""
It's a military IP address, perhaps your firewall has it blocked?
Sean
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January 09, 2008 Re: Fat Libraries vs. Programming Skills? | ||||
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Posted in reply to Sean Kelly | On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 02:44:22 +0400, Sean Kelly <sean@f4.ca> wrote: > Adil wrote: >> On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 01:54:55 +0400, Sean Kelly <sean@f4.ca> wrote: >> >>> Adil wrote: >>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 01:37:40 +0400, Manfred Nowak <svv1999@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ary Borenszweig wrote >>>>> >>>>>> Neither for me. :( >>>>> >>>>> I have rechecked the link. No problems here. >>>>> >>>>> -manfred >>>>> >>>> I'm getting a : >>>> Network Error (dns_server_failure) >>> >>> Try: >>> >>> http://137.241.248.34/CrossTalk/2008/01/0801DewarSchonberg.html >>> >>> >>> Sean >>> >> Nope. : >> Network Error (tcp_error) >> A communication error occurred: "" > > It's a military IP address, perhaps your firewall has it blocked? > > > Sean > Yes, youre right. Although other .mil addresses seem to be working. Is the article posted somewhere else as well? There's another articles that seems to be along the same lines : http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2007/12/03.html -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ |
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