Robert Fraser wrote:
> Bill Baxter wrote:
> 
>> I think the problem with Vista is that just that Microsoft finally got things right pretty much right at last with XP in terms of the OS.  It was the first time Win95 and WinNT really were integrated.  And that was a big deal.  This time all they've got to encourage people to switch is glitz and hype.  That's not enough to impress the folks in corporate IT centers with the big budgets.  XP works pretty darn well.  That's the biggest problem with Vista.
>>
>> --bb
>> 
>
> No they didn't. The big thing that Vista adds that XP/Server 03 didn't
> have is kernel security (and integrated OneCare, and that funny desktop
> search thing, and...). For people who know how to use it right (for
> example my dad just clicks accept on anything), it's a far more secure
> solution than anything any other OS has.
> 
you provide a counter-example for your own argument in your post.
Vista is _not_ a secure OS. on the contrary, most other OSes, including
ones who got extinct a decade ago provide more security than windows.
Would you consider your house secured if it had a door with a large lock
and a built-in key and a sign on it that said "Please do not enter if
you do not have permission to"?? What would stop a thief to just ignore
the sign and use the built-in key to steal your stuff? how is that
secure in your eyes?

*nix Oses and even OSes that were running on Mainframes in the 60's have had a much *much* better security than the latest and best MS has to offer.

--Yigal

PS if you want real security at the kernel level than check out SElinux for linux or even more advanced capability based micro-kernel approaches such as coyotos or L4sec based on L4.

Bill Baxter wrote:
> 
> I think the problem with Vista is that just that Microsoft finally got things right pretty much right at last with XP in terms of the OS.  It was the first time Win95 and WinNT really were integrated.  And that was a big deal.  This time all they've got to encourage people to switch is glitz and hype.  That's not enough to impress the folks in corporate IT centers with the big budgets.  XP works pretty darn well.  That's the biggest problem with Vista.
> 
> --bb

Perhaps that "problem" is part of the point of Vista. People were eager
to upgrade to XP because the previous OSes sucked. So MS makes an OS
with lots more features and candy, but all in a way that sucks, so that
people become eager to upgrade to Windows 7, hehe. :P (nonetheless after
spending money on Vista).
So maybe it's all a clever marketing ploy. xD


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Bruno Medeiros - MSc in CS/E student http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?BrunoMedeiros#D