On 06/24/2013 10:57 PM, Peter Williams wrote:

> Can you think of a better name than "D Summer Of Code"?  It's very
> northern hemisphere centric and makes us southerners feel like the rest
> of the world doesn't know there is a southern hemisphere

The only southern country is Mexico, which I am told is in the Northern hemisphere. :p

Ali

On 6/24/13 9:34 PM, QAston wrote:
> This may be completely ridiculous - I'm a newcomer - please destroy me
> gently.
>
> So, the idea is to make dlang.org a fundation.

That would be nice, and I discussed it with Walter prior to DConf 2013. We temporarily concluded that the overheads and headaches would undo the advantages. Of course, if we had an expert in running a foundation on board, the tradeoffs would change.

Andrei

On 2013-06-25 06:34, QAston wrote:

> ---Get a real webdesigner involved

I would say, as long as the web site is written in ddoc, no real web designer will be interested.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg

On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 15:57:18 +1000
Peter Williams <pwil3058@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> 
> Can you think of a better name than "D Summer Of Code"?  It's very northern hemisphere centric and makes us southerners feel like the rest of the world doesn't know there is a southern hemisphere (or if they do that they don't know the seasons work) :-).
> 

I'm pretty sure the southern hemisphere has summer too...It's just a lot colder ;) Nobody called it "D Warm-Summer of Code".

On 6/25/2013 1:09 PM, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
> On 2013-06-25 06:34, QAston wrote:
>
>> ---Get a real webdesigner involved
>
> I would say, as long as the web site is written in ddoc, no real web designer
> will be interested.

The dconf.org website was done by a real web designer who was paid real money, and it's in ddoc.

On 6/24/13 9:13 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> reddit:
> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1gz40q/dconf_2013_closing_keynote_quo_vadis_by_andrei/
>
>
> facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dlang.org/posts/662488747098143
>
> twitter: https://twitter.com/D_Programming/status/349197737805373441
>
> hackernews: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5933818
>
> youtube: http://youtube.com/watch?v=4M-0LFBP9AU
>
>
> Andrei

HD version available: http://archive.org/details/dconf2013-day03-talk06

Andrei

On 6/25/13 1:16 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
> On 6/25/2013 1:09 PM, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
>> On 2013-06-25 06:34, QAston wrote:
>>
>>> ---Get a real webdesigner involved
>>
>> I would say, as long as the web site is written in ddoc, no real web
>> designer
>> will be interested.
>
> The dconf.org website was done by a real web designer who was paid real
> money, and it's in ddoc.

Truth be told the designer delivered HTML, which we converted to DDoc.

Andrei

On 2013-06-25 11:42, Jonas Drewsen wrote:

> I'm a Danish guy so there is a at least one dane using D :)

Tomas Lindquist Olsen, creator of LDC (LLVMDC back then) is Danish, if I recall correctly.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg

On 6/25/2013 1:19 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> On 6/25/13 1:16 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
>> On 6/25/2013 1:09 PM, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
>>> On 2013-06-25 06:34, QAston wrote:
>>>
>>>> ---Get a real webdesigner involved
>>>
>>> I would say, as long as the web site is written in ddoc, no real web
>>> designer
>>> will be interested.
>>
>> The dconf.org website was done by a real web designer who was paid real
>> money, and it's in ddoc.
>
> Truth be told the designer delivered HTML, which we converted to DDoc.

Yup, but as I recall we specified it with an eye towards easy conversion.

On Tuesday, 25 June 2013 at 15:44:02 UTC, Joakim wrote:
> Just finished watching Andrei's talk, it was up to his usual high standard.
>
> I found the bits about professionalism a bit weird though: can we really expect that from a volunteer effort?  I'm pretty sure the A/V guys at the conference weren't volunteers, ie they were paid.
>
> Along the line that QAston started, if you want more professionalism, is there any interest in producing a commercial D compiler?  If not, why not?  I notice that Walter sells C and C++ compilers and source on digitalmars.com, but strangely not D.
>  There are interesting business/source models nowadays where you can be mostly open source and still sell a commercial product.
>
> For example, Walter has often talked about optimizations in the compiler that he'd like to get to.  There could be two compilers: one where the source is fully publicly available, another made available to paying users, which has additional optimizations done either by Walter or others who he supervises, but the source for those optimizations would not be available publicly, though perhaps made available only to the buyers under a non-OSS license.  After enough time has passed for the optimization work to be paid for, the optimization patches would eventually be merged into the slower, non-paid version.  Android uses a similar hybrid model, which has obviously been enormously successful.
>
> Another possibility is a bounty system, where users pledge money towards needed features or bug fixes.  It'd basically be a more distributed version of the hybrid approach I've outlined.
>
> I wonder what the response would be to injecting some money and commercialism into the D ecosystem.


Given how D's whole success stems from its community, I think an "open core" model (even with time-lapse) would be disastrous. It'd be like kicking everyone in the teeth after all the work they put in.