On Thursday, 18 June 2015 at 04:05:55 UTC, Rikki Cattermole wrote:
> On 18/06/2015 3:48 p.m., dnewbie wrote:
>>> I understand the feeling, but that seems unnecessarily harsh to demote
>>> Martin, since he is the one that have done the most for release, and
>>> it yielded actual results.
>>
>> Indeed.
>
> +1 and I do not do so/say so lightly.

Everything could probably have been avoided if only all key personel had shared phone numbers, mobile inet is often prohibitly expensive while abroad, but sms remains acceptable...

On Wednesday, 17 June 2015 at 23:47:26 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
> On Wednesday, 17 June 2015 at 18:35:48 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>>[...]
>
> There is a very important difference with an actual job: an actual job with a salary. You just can't expect the same level of commitment from a volunteer than an employee.
>
> I understand the feeling, but that seems unnecessarily harsh to demote Martin, since he is the one that have done the most for release, and it yielded actual results.

+1

On Thursday, 18 June 2015 at 06:54:53 UTC, Daniel N wrote:
> On Thursday, 18 June 2015 at 04:05:55 UTC, Rikki Cattermole wrote:
>> On 18/06/2015 3:48 p.m., dnewbie wrote:
>>>> I understand the feeling, but that seems unnecessarily harsh to demote
>>>> Martin, since he is the one that have done the most for release, and
>>>> it yielded actual results.
>>>
>>> Indeed.
>>
>> +1 and I do not do so/say so lightly.
>
> Everything could probably have been avoided if only all key personel had shared phone numbers, mobile inet is often prohibitly expensive while abroad, but sms remains acceptable...

Yes - one gets so used to being able to reach people in the modern world, that a short period of disconnect leads to all kinds of concerns and doubts.  There is a fine balance to be struck between wanting to maintain an admirably high standard of professionalism and excellence, and being excessively harsh in enforcing such a standard - particularly in a public forum.  The problem is also the medium doesn't lend itself to nuance, and modern people don't tend to think that way either.

On Wednesday, 17 June 2015 at 18:35:48 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> With this we revoke Martin's role as release czar. His github access will remain the same for the time being.
> Thanks,
>
> Andrei

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On 6/17/2015 4:29 AM, berlin wrote:
> [...]

This is out of place here. Please stop.

On Wednesday, 17 June 2015 at 18:35:48 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> I'm very happy Martin is doing well but I am disappointed about this unprofessional behavior. In fact I could only assume the worst because he seemed one of the most serious people I've dealt with, so this came as quite a major breakage of trust.
>
> With this we revoke Martin's role as release czar. His github access will remain the same for the time being.

We have limited resources. Don't squeeze them out by ruling with an iron fist on laws only you were aware of. I'm pretty sure if Martin knew that you saw it as unacceptable to be away for a brief period he would have made preparations.

This is off-putting for me as someone who is getting steadily more involved in D, what other implicit contracts do you think we've all signed?

On Wednesday, 17 June 2015 at 23:47:26 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
> On Wednesday, 17 June 2015 at 18:35:48 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>>[...]
>
> There is a very important difference with an actual job: an actual job with a salary. You just can't expect the same level of commitment from a volunteer than an employee.
>
> I understand the feeling, but that seems unnecessarily harsh to demote Martin, since he is the one that have done the most for release, and it yielded actual results.

+1

D wouldn't have anyone doing any work at all, professional or not, without goodwill and enthusiasm.

On Thursday, 18 June 2015 at 08:35:12 UTC, John Colvin wrote:
> On Wednesday, 17 June 2015 at 23:47:26 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
>> On Wednesday, 17 June 2015 at 18:35:48 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>>>[...]
>>
>> There is a very important difference with an actual job: an actual job with a salary. You just can't expect the same level of commitment from a volunteer than an employee.
>>
>> I understand the feeling, but that seems unnecessarily harsh to demote Martin, since he is the one that have done the most for release, and it yielded actual results.
>
> +1
>
> D wouldn't have anyone doing any work at all, professional or not, without goodwill and enthusiasm.

I'm a bit of a nobody here, but for an outsiders point of view looking at this forum this looks very bad. A small community that can't even get along.

Very harsh decision I feel.

On Wednesday, 17 June 2015 at 18:35:48 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> With this we revoke Martin's role as release czar. His github access will remain the same for the time being.

I'm speechless.

On Thursday, 18 June 2015 at 09:05:27 UTC, Marc Schütz wrote:
> On Wednesday, 17 June 2015 at 18:35:48 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>> With this we revoke Martin's role as release czar. His github access will remain the same for the time being.
>
> I'm speechless.

+1