so let's say we have a list with possibly null items

1 : valid address
2 : valid address
3 : valid address
4 : valid address
5 : valid address
6 : valid address
7 : valid address
8 : valid address
9 : valid address
10: valid address
11: valid address
12: valid address
13: valid address
14: valid address
15: valid address
16: valid address
17: invalid address
18: valid address
19: valid address
20: valid address
21: valid address
etc

what happens with those fucking overpaid web developpers is that from 19 you'll get 18.
And this happens in MAJOR companies. I'll show you:

1. opens https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD0F172BF355B0729
2. starts the first item of this playlist.
3. go full screen, at the left you see an icon to display the list, click on this.
4. click on item 20, should be "Luthier - Magnum Opus (Crazibiza Remix)"

and observe what you get. What you get is not item 20 but item 19, so "Logotech" stuff thing etc.

This happens because the fullscreen playlist is cleaned. Item 17 is removed so from item 18 you got the previous one. The guys who had the idea to remove invalid items from the fullscreen playlist just continued to use the index... you see how this is dumb, OMG.

So of course this is just a stupid playlist at youtube, i.e a Google company.
But what you get every day by overpaid enginneers is that.

They cant even manage an association list.
Imagine how many they are paid ? They have **no fucking clue about about what they do**.
You see this is not even an interesting bug.

On Tuesday, 3 March 2020 at 00:59:44 UTC, Basile B. wrote:
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> ...
> 

What does this have to do with the D language?

On Tuesday, 3 March 2020 at 01:24:17 UTC, IGotD- wrote:
> On Tuesday, 3 March 2020 at 00:59:44 UTC, Basile B. wrote:
>> 
>> ...
>> 
>
> What does this have to do with the D language?

nothing but, admitting you've verified the problem, just be better than that. Dont fall in the trap of what is mainstream or not. The bug I describe is part of the mainstream. YT is supposed to work with the most clever guys on the earth you see, they can hire them. But still, they cant manage an association list.

On Tuesday, 3 March 2020 at 01:47:50 UTC, Basile B. wrote:
> On Tuesday, 3 March 2020 at 01:24:17 UTC, IGotD- wrote:
>> On Tuesday, 3 March 2020 at 00:59:44 UTC, Basile B. wrote:
>>> 
>>> ...
>>> 
>>
>> What does this have to do with the D language?
>
> nothing but, admitting you've verified the problem, just be better than that. Dont fall in the trap of what is mainstream or not. The bug I describe is part of the mainstream. YT is supposed to work with the most clever guys on the earth you see, they can hire them. But still, they cant manage an association list.

I heard and see enough from Google/Face/large companies to believe that they have everything but the clever guys.

On Tuesday, 3 March 2020 at 00:59:44 UTC, Basile B. wrote:
> So of course this is just a stupid playlist at youtube, i.e a Google company.
> But what you get every day by overpaid enginneers is that.
>
> They cant even manage an association list.
> Imagine how many they are paid ? They have **no fucking clue about about what they do**.
> You see this is not even an interesting bug.

Google is a big company, I wouldn't doubt that was implemented by an intern. Everyone else probably has something more important to work on.

On Tuesday, 3 March 2020 at 00:59:44 UTC, Basile B. wrote:
> So of course this is just a stupid playlist at youtube, i.e a Google company.
> But what you get every day by overpaid enginneers is that.

It's the same with Microsoft, they're screwing the e-mail.

Example: Before when you would delete an e-mail, you had an option to delete it permanently through the UI using: "Shift + Del", it would show a message/warning about this and if you agree it was done and  the message would be deleted.

But then they created "Recovery Item"! - So you do the same steps like above, it shows the warning that the message will be delete permanently but guess what, it goes to a folder called Recovery Items, so now you need to delete the e-mail twice.

By the way if just delete an e-mail through the UI without using Shift you need to delete 3 times to get rid of, from: Inbox Folder, Deleted Folder and finally Recovery Items Folder.

And there is no way to avoid Recovery Folder, there is no option to disable this "feature".

Well the above is deleting through the UI, but when using an e-mail client like Thunderbird for example, the deleted message will go to Recovery Items and there is NO way to map this folder, so for 30 days (Default) the message will be in you e-mail like it or not, otherwise you need to go through the UI and do this manually.

It's just a shame.

Matheus.

On Tue, Mar 03, 2020 at 01:19:44PM +0000, matheus via Digitalmars-d wrote: [...]
> It's the same with Microsoft, they're screwing the e-mail.
[...]
> It's just a shame.
[...]

Just use Mutt[1]. :-D

[1] http://www.mutt.org/


T

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On Tuesday, 3 March 2020 at 17:34:37 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 03, 2020 at 01:19:44PM +0000, matheus via Digitalmars-d wrote: [...]
>> It's the same with Microsoft, they're screwing the e-mail.
> [...]
>> It's just a shame.
> [...]
>
> Just use Mutt[1]. :-D
>
> [1] http://www.mutt.org/

But how the e-mail client will solve the problem in the e-mail server/service? Because the retention happens in the server, the client can't do nothing or can?

I've tried 3 e-mail clients (Even Outlook) and all keep sending any deleted e-mail to Recover Folder which is unmapped by any client.

One thing that I just remembered, this problem with Recover deleted items is pretty old, and here is someone complaining a year ago:

https://outlook.uservoice.com/forums/601444-the-new-outlook-com/suggestions/37583596-option-to-disable-recover-deleted-items

The answer from David Los - Microsoft Outlook (Product Manager, Outlook.com):

"Hi there, thank you for the feedback. I just wanted to let you know that if you select all of the messages in your deleted items folder and hold down shift and the delete button on your keyboard the items will be permanently deleted and not going into the Dumpster/Recover deleted items experience."

Unfortunately the Product Manager is totally wrong because this doesn't work at all, I have tried in Inbox Folder, Trash Folder and it always end up into Recover Deleted Items Folder.

But even it worked, it would requires 2 steps to delete an e-mail, from Inbox and then Trash Folder, which before this nonsense was introduced was simple and worked.

And I will skip the blocking e-mail feature that just doesn't work at all, and a lot of people complains:

https://outlook.uservoice.com/forums/601444-the-new-outlook-com/suggestions/38434351-blocked-email-selected-not-being-blocked

I like this comment: "big computer company can't even handle blocking e-mails".

Just a pity,

Matheus.

On Tuesday, 3 March 2020 at 00:59:44 UTC, Basile B. wrote:

> fucking overpaid web developpers

Web Developers - especially those with fancy mustaches, ey..

On Tue, Mar 03, 2020 at 06:14:27PM +0000, matheus via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> On Tuesday, 3 March 2020 at 17:34:37 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 03, 2020 at 01:19:44PM +0000, matheus via Digitalmars-d wrote: [...]
> > > It's the same with Microsoft, they're screwing the e-mail.
> > [...]
> > > It's just a shame.
> > [...]
> > 
> > Just use Mutt[1]. :-D
> > 
> > [1] http://www.mutt.org/
> 
> But how the e-mail client will solve the problem in the e-mail server/service? Because the retention happens in the server, the client can't do nothing or can?
[...]

Ohhh, your server is Outlook?  Well, then, you're screwed. :-P  If you have the choice, use a different mail server instead. :-P

Currently I run my own mailserver, and I configured it to deliver directly to my PC, and Mutt accesses the local mailbox directly. Once I delete something, it's GONE.  For good.  I have full control over what happens to my mail, and I get to decide what I do with it, where it goes, and how it's stored.

This modern idiom of the server retaining all messages your behalf is IMNSHO a b0rken model.  It takes control out of users' hands into the mail admin's hands. It's the same thing with trend everywhere else, like web apps taking control of your data out of your hands into the app writer's server, and cloud services taking control of your data *and* your applications out of your hands into *theirs*.  It's convenient, no doubt, and in many scenarios more economical.  But there is a fundamentally b0rken principle here, that you no longer own anything, not your data, not your programs, your provider controls everything. You no longer *own* anything, you're merely a "subscriber" and the service provider controls everything.  Just the way large corporations like it. Rather than empowering the user, they empower themselves.  And at last, the threat of users taking control of their own property is neutralized, and the big corporations can continue to hold you in their thrall.

But hey, this is the hot bandwagon and everyone's jumping on it, so why aren't you following the rest of the herd?  And so, this b0rken design perpetuates itself.


T

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