== Quote from Daniel Gibson (metalcaedes@gmail.com)'s article
> Michael Stover schrieb:
> > Elephant appears dead.  Poseidon's activity is extremely low and is still alpha after 5 years. LEDS is even less active, and DDT doesn't have a release yet.  What do actual D programmers use?
> >
> > -Mike
> For Windows http://d-ide.sourceforge.net/ is probably great.
> I use Geany (on Linux), but unfortunately it's not really an IDE..
autocompletion doesn't really
> work (things get completed, but not smartly - it isn't aware of the type of a
variable for example).
> Currently I hope that http://d-dev-ide.blogspot.com/ will be as great as it looks.

Does vi support autocompletion for D?

If not, I can write a plugin for that...

On 10/12/2010 10:22 PM, Michael Stover wrote:
> Why would I laugh?  I've been using Eclipse for nearly 10 years.
>   Descent claims to be a dead project, so I'm curious that you say you
> use it - what version of Eclipse are you using with it?  DDT is it's
> replacement and it has no release.
>
> On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 10:18 PM, Eric Poggel <dnewsgroup2@yage3d.net
> <mailto:dnewsgroup2@yage3d.net>> wrote:
>
>     On 10/12/2010 9:57 PM, Michael Stover wrote:
>
>         Elephant appears dead.  Poseidon's activity is extremely low and is
>         still alpha after 5 years. LEDS is even less active, and DDT doesn't
>         have a release yet.  What do actual D programmers use?
>
>         -Mike
>
>     As an Eclipse fan (don't laugh!) I've been using Descent for a
>     couple of years now with good results.  I think others here may use
>     VisualD.
>
>
I'm using it with Eclipse 3.5.  I just recently found out it was dead. It's been at least 6 months since I updated it--most things worked pretty well so I didn't bother.

On 10/12/2010 10:22 PM, Michael Stover wrote:
> Why would I laugh?

A lot of people say eclipse is slow and bloated.  Maybe it is, but it has a lot of killer features.

On 2010-10-13 18:02, Eric Poggel wrote:
> On 10/12/2010 10:22 PM, Michael Stover wrote:
>> Why would I laugh?
>
> A lot of people say eclipse is slow and bloated. Maybe it is, but it has
> a lot of killer features.

The start up time for Eclipse 3.6 has approved a lot compared to 3.5.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg

Wed, 13 Oct 2010 12:02:04 -0400, Eric Poggel wrote:

> On 10/12/2010 10:22 PM, Michael Stover wrote:
>> Why would I laugh?
> 
> A lot of people say eclipse is slow and bloated.  Maybe it is, but it has a lot of killer features.

We already discussed this a week or two ago. Eclipse *with useless plugins disabled* works rather quickly on *modern* machines. That means, on Sun Java 6/7 JVM and Eclipse 3.6. SWT performance depends on your graphics drivers and also the SWT's libraries are improving constantly. The JVM can make use of multiple cores (e.g. parallel garbage collection) and over 1 GB of memory (remember to tune your jvm settings)! You can also improve the slow startup times with a disk cache and/or raid-0 setup and/or ssd disks. Surprising, eh?!

On 10/12/2010 09:57 PM, Michael Stover wrote:
> Elephant appears dead.  Poseidon's activity is extremely low and is still
> alpha after 5 years. LEDS is even less active, and DDT doesn't have a
> release yet.  What do actual D programmers use?
>
> -Mike
>
I stick with Vim.  Who needs anything else? :P

Casey

On Wednesday, October 13, 2010 16:06:18 sybrandy wrote:
> On 10/12/2010 09:57 PM, Michael Stover wrote:
> > Elephant appears dead.  Poseidon's activity is extremely low and is still alpha after 5 years. LEDS is even less active, and DDT doesn't have a release yet.  What do actual D programmers use?
> > 
> > -Mike
> 
> I stick with Vim.  Who needs anything else? :P
> 
> Casey

Proper code completion, correctly jumping to function definitions, and various other features that IDEs generally do well tend to be quite poor in vim. It can do many of them on some level, but for instance, while ctags does give you the ability to jump to function declarations, it does quite poorly in the face of identical variable names across files. There are a number of IDE features that I would love to have and use but vim can't properly pull off. When I have a decent IDE, I'm always torn on whether to use vim or the IDE. vim (well, gvim) generally wins out, but sometimes the extra abilities of the IDE are just too useful. What I'd really like is full-featured IDE with complete and completely remappable vim bindings.

- Jonathan M Davis

Wed, 13 Oct 2010 16:24:12 -0700, Jonathan M Davis wrote:

> On Wednesday, October 13, 2010 16:06:18 sybrandy wrote:
>> On 10/12/2010 09:57 PM, Michael Stover wrote:
>> > Elephant appears dead.  Poseidon's activity is extremely low and is still alpha after 5 years. LEDS is even less active, and DDT doesn't have a release yet.  What do actual D programmers use?
>> > 
>> > -Mike
>> 
>> I stick with Vim.  Who needs anything else? :P
>> 
>> Casey
> 
> Proper code completion, correctly jumping to function definitions, and various other features that IDEs generally do well tend to be quite poor in vim. It can do many of them on some level, but for instance, while ctags does give you the ability to jump to function declarations, it does quite poorly in the face of identical variable names across files. There are a number of IDE features that I would love to have and use but vim can't properly pull off. When I have a decent IDE, I'm always torn on whether to use vim or the IDE. vim (well, gvim) generally wins out, but sometimes the extra abilities of the IDE are just too useful. What I'd really like is full-featured IDE with complete and completely remappable vim bindings.

I found this with a bit of googling: http://eclim.org/

Seems to be mainly for Java development.

On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 6:43 PM, retard <re@tard.com.invalid> wrote:

> Wed, 13 Oct 2010 16:24:12 -0700, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, October 13, 2010 16:06:18 sybrandy wrote:
> >> On 10/12/2010 09:57 PM, Michael Stover wrote:
> >> > Elephant appears dead.  Poseidon's activity is extremely low and is still alpha after 5 years. LEDS is even less active, and DDT doesn't have a release yet.  What do actual D programmers use?
> >> >
> >> > -Mike
> >>
> >> I stick with Vim.  Who needs anything else? :P
> >>
> >> Casey
> >
> > Proper code completion, correctly jumping to function definitions, and various other features that IDEs generally do well tend to be quite poor in vim. It can do many of them on some level, but for instance, while ctags does give you the ability to jump to function declarations, it does quite poorly in the face of identical variable names across files. There are a number of IDE features that I would love to have and use but vim can't properly pull off. When I have a decent IDE, I'm always torn on whether to use vim or the IDE. vim (well, gvim) generally wins out, but sometimes the extra abilities of the IDE are just too useful. What I'd really like is full-featured IDE with complete and completely remappable vim bindings.
>
> I found this with a bit of googling: http://eclim.org/
>

On 10/13/2010 07:43 PM, retard wrote:
> Wed, 13 Oct 2010 16:24:12 -0700, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, October 13, 2010 16:06:18 sybrandy wrote:
>>> On 10/12/2010 09:57 PM, Michael Stover wrote:
>>>> Elephant appears dead.  Poseidon's activity is extremely low and is
>>>> still alpha after 5 years. LEDS is even less active, and DDT doesn't
>>>> have a release yet.  What do actual D programmers use?
>>>>
>>>> -Mike
>>>
>>> I stick with Vim.  Who needs anything else? :P
>>>
>>> Casey
>>
>> Proper code completion, correctly jumping to function definitions, and
>> various other features that IDEs generally do well tend to be quite poor
>> in vim. It can do many of them on some level, but for instance, while
>> ctags does give you the ability to jump to function declarations, it
>> does quite poorly in the face of identical variable names across files.
>> There are a number of IDE features that I would love to have and use but
>> vim can't properly pull off. When I have a decent IDE, I'm always torn
>> on whether to use vim or the IDE. vim (well, gvim) generally wins out,
>> but sometimes the extra abilities of the IDE are just too useful. What
>> I'd really like is full-featured IDE with complete and completely
>> remappable vim bindings.
>
I said that somewhat jokingly as I know that there are a ton of features that IDEs do provide.  I just really hate them because they tend to be bloated and I tend to type faster than the autocomplete.  Also, when working with a laptop or Linux command line from time to time, it's good to not have to rely on a mouse or software that needs to be installed.

> I found this with a bit of googling: http://eclim.org/

I hated eclim.  I found Vrapper to be much nicer as it just gave me most of Vim without doing things in a strange manner.

http://vrapper.sourceforge.net/home/

Casey