"Matthew Wilson" <matthew@stlsoft.org> a écrit dans le message news: bhi9p8$27a0$1@digitaldaemon.com...

> I don't eat any dead walking (or flying) things, so cannot say that I do.
;)

what about swiming ones ?

-- Nicolas Repiquet

"Martin M. Pedersen" <martin@moeller-pedersen.dk> wrote in message news:bhgh13$flp$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> "Charles Sanders" <sanders-consulting@comcast.net> wrote in message news:bhgdqv$cfh$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> > It would be more elegenat if you didnt use goto's :P.
> I know, but still, "goto" is part of the language.

Goto's are like pointers. You rarely need them, but when you do, they're real nice to have!

"Matthew Wilson" <matthew@stlsoft.org> wrote in message news:bhi0gn$1uf0$3@digitaldaemon.com...
> What we're talking about here is something that is almost always bad, but sometimes very good. A better analogy in this case would be a can of Coke. Bad in almost all conceivable circumstances,

What are you talking about? Coca-Cola is the Water of Life!

"Matthew Wilson" <matthew@stlsoft.org> wrote in message news:bhi9p8$27a0$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> I don't eat any dead walking (or flying) things, so cannot say that I do.
;)

I don't eat any of the walking dead zombies, either. I poke 'em with a fork first to make sure they really are truly dead before eating them. Nothing like having your dead dinner up and walk away.

"John Reimer" <jjreimer@telus.net> wrote in message
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| A 4 hour ride? Oh, I'd say your body would lap up anything including
| Coke after that!  In fact, Coke probably never tasted so good after such
| a long ride.  I know the feeling (but I'd be craving it at 2.5 hours)
| :).  I must say, after a long hard run (2+ hours), I can't begin to
| describe how wonderful a sugary sweet drink tastes...of any sort.  It's
| a crazy experience.
|
| Later,
|
| John
|

I'm not much a sportsman myself. I like playing basketball, but I don't play much often. Anyway, if you really want to feel tired, exhausted and ... (whatever other word like those that is available) like you would never imagine, exercise at 2800 meters above the sea (that'd be over 9000 feet). Believe me, that sweet drink tastes much better up here.

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> well I guess I'm talking to the right person,
> I was under the impresion that eating large does of sugar forced the
> pancreas to produce large amounts of inculin (as you mention) the body gets
> used to this and so starts to over produce inculin when any sugars are
> ingested (loading the pancreas further) thus the persons blood sugar level
> bounce from high (as they eat) to too low (due to the bodies over reaction)
> eventually (if not dealt with by going onto a lower sugar/carb diet and
> avoiding "sugar hits")
> the pancreas gets tired and so diabettes can set in.
> 

Well, this is just one of my interests.  Naturally, as a lowly paramedic, I'm no expert in this topic, just one that sees the repercussions of the disease first hand.  Actually your description is mostly right.  Anything I would consider wrong are probably just minor nuances in my interpretation of it. ;)

It usually takes years for pancreas to get worn out.  Some people, based on genetic makeup, are able to resist the effects of high sugar intake than others.  Before a person gets on the gradual road to diabetes, their insulin mechanism (secreted by the islets of Langerhans in the pancreas) operate faithfully.  With high sugar loads, the insulin secretion very well may increase to compensate, but it rarely would ever cause a true hypoglycemic reaction (typically anything measured << 4.0 mmol/L). There may be a "bounce" effect (being a relative term) in the blood sugars earlier on, but nothing that dangerously alters the glucose levels (in short nothing that regular humans can't handle).  The real problem is later on as the pancreas does eventually become overworked and incapable of producing sufficient insulin. But it is a gradual thing.

Most people that are on their way to being diabetics, as far as I know, don't notice the progressive worsening in their condition until it's severe.  Any conditions that may relate to signs and symptoms of diabetes are likely clowded by other conditions, such as an obese person that gets tired and short of breath from mild exertion.  That is, when (as you say) the pancreas is worn out and is no longer releasing much insulin, the blood glucose concentration continues to rise and rise. This state of hyperglycemia DOES start to cause weakness, drowsiness, and shortness of breath (diabetic ketoacidosis).  When it gets really bad, people start wondering if something is really wrong and go in to get checked and then find out that they have diabetes.  Others just think they are out of shape perhaps, and let their condition progress until they need an operation sometime and THEN their diabetes is accidently discovered.

The newly diagnosed diabetic now has to try to control his intake of carbohydrates.  The careful diet does indeed avoid refined foods and fast-burn sugars.  Interestingly some people can completely modify their diet and be non-dependent on medicine.  They can also have somewhat of a recovery of the insulin mechanism.  From what I've seen oral hypoglycemica meds are bad news anyway.  They give a false security to the patient.  They seem to think they can eat anything still.  So they end up going back to lifestyle of huge swings in sugar level.  Food ups the glucose, meds down it.  Some of these people may eventually progress to needing insulin shots as the oral hypoglycemics no longer work.

It's actually quite amazing the amount of abuse that the human body can take.  I can't get over how people can still keep ticking despite the diseases they are inflicted with .  People may as well be athletes and abuse themselves that way, if you think of it.

Sorry for rambling, I don't think I really added much more to the issue at all.  But it's good to think about these things, I guess.

> should I mention result from a study in saudi arabia on kids with asthma
> the about 50% of the kids there grown up on a western diet, the rest on a
> more traditional diet
> the cases of children developing asthma was vastly higher umongst those on a
> western diet.
> 
> I like a balanced diet .... its a pain when your food falls off your plate!
> 

I absolutely believe this could be true.  There are many asthma studies, and some could easily be related to diet.  Most are related to smoking parents, though.

Later,

John

"Walter" <walter@digitalmars.com> wrote in message news:bhjp68$htd$3@digitaldaemon.com...
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> "Matthew Wilson" <matthew@stlsoft.org> wrote in message news:bhi9p8$27a0$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> > I don't eat any dead walking (or flying) things, so cannot say that I
do.
> ;)
>
> I don't eat any of the walking dead zombies, either. I poke 'em with a
fork
> first to make sure they really are truly dead before eating them. Nothing like having your dead dinner up and walk away.

poke 'em with a fork, .. never, fry them! then you can be sure!

"John Reimer" <jjreimer@telus.net> wrote in message news:bhjd2s$5ob$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> I still have trouble believing the volatile concoction called "Coca Cola" can be good for you in any situation.

You're stepping awfully close to heresy.

"Walter" <walter@digitalmars.com> wrote in message news:bhjp67$htd$1@digitaldaemon.com...
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> "Martin M. Pedersen" <martin@moeller-pedersen.dk> wrote in message news:bhgh13$flp$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> > "Charles Sanders" <sanders-consulting@comcast.net> wrote in message news:bhgdqv$cfh$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> > > It would be more elegenat if you didnt use goto's :P.
> > I know, but still, "goto" is part of the language.
>
> Goto's are like pointers. You rarely need them, but when you do, they're real nice to have!
>
but like pointers there are other constructs that are more robust and
perform the same task
(bounded array and reference (unmovable pointer))
even at a very low level, you only _need_ those two (well bounded array is
enough as a length of one is a ref, but we all like a little syntactic
sugar).
movable pointer is just an efficient way to do both in one go. (well
unbounded array)

we've not even dared to mention the double evil "setjump/longjump" which use incorrectly allows you to go the wrong way along an already used stack.

I am yet to find a use of goto that can not be solved by either multi-level
break/continue
or by changing a block of code into an inline function, which in D is equiv
to using a nested function, and in most cases actually makes the code more
readable.

surely as a compiler writer, the simple fact that a goto can branch into a loop mush be reason enough to consider removing it, thus allowing the compiler to be able to do loop invariant detection without the worry that someone is going to "goto" the middle of a loop where 50% of the state has been moved outside it ?

I'll quote your own docs ...
"D aims to reduce software development costs by at least 10% by adding in
proven productivity enhancing features and by adjusting language features so
that common, time-consuming bugs are eliminated from the start."

isn't goto one of the causes of unexpected programming errors due to the way it allows you to "break the flow" of a program.

and don't the majority of ppl who are in the first 4 groups of ppl in the "who is d for" section want to see and end to goto?

I believe (wrongly maybe) that the easier a human can understand a section of code, the greater the chances that a compiler can optimise it do do what I want, in the best way. and goto and setjump/longjump are not (in my mind) compiler friendly flow control.

Exceptions and labled blocks are much better, (I would like to see a redo
statement (that's continue without the check on an entry condition loop))

"John Reimer" <jjreimer@telus.net> wrote in message news:bhjm3l$er9$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> A 4 hour ride? Oh, I'd say your body would lap up anything including Coke after that!  In fact, Coke probably never tasted so good after such a long ride.  I know the feeling (but I'd be craving it at 2.5 hours) :).  I must say, after a long hard run (2+ hours), I can't begin to describe how wonderful a sugary sweet drink tastes...of any sort.  It's a crazy experience.

How far do you run?