On Friday, 24 June 2022 at 06:31:37 UTC, rikki cattermole wrote:
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> One thing that we could do, is pay someone about once a year to make an album of music (royalty free so it can be used for live streamers!) to commemorate the year released around DConf. Somebody like Popskyy.
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> While I don't think any other programming language does this, the OpenBSD community does[0].
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> [0] https://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html

You know, I used OpenBSD extensively, for more than a decade.

I cannot recall ever paying attention to their marketing ploys.

A secure operating system, by design, was sufficient for me.
(although, I readily acknowledge, not everyone considers it to be 'secure').

btw, back in the 90s', when I was learning C++, my friend and I walked into the software store one day (yeah, no online back then), and the product we both decided on, was the product with the biggest box (i.e. the most books).

At that particular time, it was Borland C++ that had the biggest box, with the most books. So we settled on that.

Of course I never read them all.

If we were in the 90's still, I'd say that maybe D needs a bigger box.

But other than a bigger box, I'm not so sure... perhaps a product that delivered on what it claims it is, would probably do just fine ;-)

On Friday, 24 June 2022 at 06:31:37 UTC, rikki cattermole wrote:
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> One thing that we could do, is pay someone about once a year to make an album of music (royalty free so it can be used for live streamers!) to commemorate the year released around DConf. Somebody like Popskyy.
>
> While I don't think any other programming language does this, the OpenBSD community does[0].
>
> [0] https://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html

You know, I used OpenBSD extensively, for more than a decade.

I cannot recall ever paying attention to their marketing ploys.

Actually being a secure operating system, as it claimed, was sufficient for me.
(although, I readily acknowledge, not everyone considers it to be 'secure').

btw, back in the 90s', when I was learning C++, my friend and I walked into the software store one day (yeah, no online back then), and the product we both decided on, was the product with the biggest box (i.e. the most books).

At that particular time, it was Borland C++ that had the biggest box, with the most books. So we settled on that.

Of course I never read them all.

If we were in the 90's still, I'd say that maybe D needs a bigger box.

But other than a bigger box, I'm not so sure... perhaps a product that delivered on what it claims it is, would probably do just fine ;-)

On Saturday, 25 June 2022 at 03:54:03 UTC, forkit wrote:
> At least it all resulted in something practical. That is, something you can test for yourself write now, in your code, if you choose to.

We can both agree that the "ends" was something relatively good, and we clearly disagree on the "means" by which it was partly achieved; regardless, we can move on.

I hope the experimental feature flag is positive, and perhaps it ends up in the language proper.

Jordan

On Friday, 24 June 2022 at 19:51:29 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
> On 6/23/2022 10:30 PM, forkit wrote:
>> Just wear something under it. It'll make it a little less uncomfortable.
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> What I mean by wearing a hairshirt is insistence on negging D. There are many ways to be honest about D's capabilities without describing them in negative terms.
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> For example:
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> Hairshirt - D's gc is terrible compared with Java's.
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> Honesty - Since Java is heavily dependent on the gc, it is worth it to insert write gates into the generated code to accurately track usage of gc allocated memory. Usage of D's gc is optional, and D's semantics are much less reliant on the gc. Hence, in the interest of maximum performance for most code, D does not insert write gates in the generated code.

I don't think D's semantics are much less reliant on the GC. Have you tried writing CTFE without the GC?

D has a worse GC than java, that's a fact. You can do manual memory management in D, even though it isn't really supported by its own feature set. Using something like C++ and Java together is the better option as it provides the best of both worlds. Like what Android did. D went a direction that provides a worse GC without providing the tools needed for the alternative it claims to support.

On Saturday, 25 June 2022 at 01:24:43 UTC, Timon Gehr wrote:
> On 25.06.22 00:02, Dukc wrote:
>> Anyone who wants D to become popular
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> D is already popular.

Yes, good correction. Should be "more popular than already" or something like that.

On 6/25/2022 1:05 AM, forkit wrote:
> At that particular time, it was Borland C++ that had the biggest box, with the most books. So we settled on that.


Borland had stellar marketing. They were adept at branding mundane features as incredible new technology.