It's too bad most keyboards don't have keys for symbols like ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, and ?.  It's interesting that Japanese can be typed in Hiragana, Katakana, or Romanji characters, and yet we can't find a way to include such useful characters as these in a programming language.  No insult to anyone intended here, by the way.  No one person is responsable for this situation.  It just is.

Wouldn't it be nice though, if "?" could be used as an alternative to the "is" operator for identity, at the very least?  But... I for one can say that I've tried to type such things in Notepad and it simply wouldn't let me, no matter how I went about it... and Notepad is still what I am typing most of my D source code in.

TZ

Ha!  There's a perfect example of what I mean...

To those who are reading this in "plain text" I apologize for the markup codes, but it looks like they are "necessary" at this point.

Well, I'll try this again, in HTML and see if they go through...  ∴∈⊆⊂⊃∧∨∏∑∫√∝∞∠≈≠≤≡≥

Not sure what went through, but I see what came back on this end.  All of the characters I was talking about have been converted to question marks!

Oh, and in case they do...  "≡" is the one I was talking about as an alternative for the "is" operator.  Would be nice to allow it... but there is a question of whether or not it would get used, and a question of whether or not it may be lost when the source core is saved or sent or in some other way transfered from it's original location.

TZ

"TechnoZeus" <TechnoZeus@PeoplePC.com> wrote in message news:d3od0n$b7o$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> It's too bad most keyboards don't have keys for symbols like ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, and ?.  It's interesting that Japanese can be typed in Hiragana, Katakana, or Romanji characters, and yet we can't find a way to include such useful characters as these in a programming language.  No insult to anyone intended here, by the way.  No one person is responsable for this situation.  It just is.
> 
> Wouldn't it be nice though, if "?" could be used as an alternative to the "is" operator for identity, at the very least?  But... I for one can say that I've tried to type such things in Notepad and it simply wouldn't let me, no matter how I went about it... and Notepad is still what I am typing most of my D source code in.
> 
> TZ
> 
> 
> 

TechnoZeus wrote:

> It's too bad most keyboards don't have keys for symbols like ?, ?, ?,
> ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, and ?.  It's interesting
> that Japanese can be typed in Hiragana, Katakana, or Romanji
> characters, and yet we can't find a way to include such useful
> characters as these in a programming language.  No insult to anyone
> intended here, by the way.  No one person is responsable for this
> situation.  It just is.

No it isn't.

You can insert the \U character in ASCII - or in Windows, if
you know the Unicode hexcode for the thing you want to insert ?

See http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/ for a list...

Then you can use the Win alt-numbers method of entering it:
http://www.fileformat.info/tip/microsoft/enter_unicode.htm

Or use another OS ? http://www.algonet.se/~afb/d/unicode-palette.png
(that's the popup window that I used to enter any Unicode characters)

Wish I knew Japanese. If I try, it'll just read
as: 'Go stick your head in a pig' or something ?


> Wouldn't it be nice though, if "?" could be used as an alternative to
> the "is" operator for identity, at the very least?

Hmm, there was once an alternative '===' to the is operator... :-)

--anders

TechnoZeus wrote:

> Not sure what went through, but I see what came back on this end.  All of the characters I was talking about have been converted to question marks!

Your Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6, didn't send it as UTF-8...

> Oh, and in case they do...  "≡" is the one I was talking about as an alternative for the "is" operator.  Would be nice to allow it... but there is a question of whether or not it would get used, and a question of whether or not it may be lost when the source core is saved or sent or in some other way transfered from it's original location.

See this old post http://www.digitalmars.com/drn-bin/wwwnews?D/19736 and
http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?FeatureRequestList/UnicodeOperators

Even if a bunch of weird Unicode alpha characters are now allowed as identifiers, allowing Unicode operators haven't been very popular...

The easiest is still to use ASCII ? That tends to work about anywhere.
--anders

TechnoZeus wrote:
> It's too bad most keyboards don't have keys for symbols like ?, ?, ?,  ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, and ?.

Huh?  Most keyboards I've seen in my time have just two keys covering all of these symbols.

> It's interesting that Japanese can be typed in Hiragana, Katakana, or Romanji characters, and yet we can't find a way to include such useful characters as these in a programming language.  No insult to anyone intended here, by the way.  No one person is responsable for this situation.  It just is.
> 
> Wouldn't it be nice though, if "?" could be used as an alternative to the "is" operator for identity, at the very least?
<snip>

Not sure about this ... looks too much like the conditional operator.

Stewart.

-- 
My e-mail is valid but not my primary mailbox.  Please keep replies on
the 'group where everyone may benefit.

Greetings!

TechnoZeus,

your posts are very hard to read.  They are all in out line.  I don't have a news-reader so I have to read the posts through the web interface.  Do you have a setting on your newsreader that will set a column break?  It will make it easier for those of us that have to scroll all the way to the right to read your posts.

just a thought...

thanks,

josé


TechnoZeus says...
>
>It's too bad most keyboards don't have keys for symbols like ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, and ?.  It's interesting that Japanese can be typed in Hiragana, Katakana, or Romanji characters, and yet we can't find a way to include such useful characters as these in a programming language.  No insult to anyone intended here, by the way.  No one person is responsable for this situation.  It just is.
>
>Wouldn't it be nice though, if "?" could be used as an alternative to the "is" operator for identity, at the very least?  But... I for one can say that I've tried to type such things in Notepad and it simply wouldn't let me, no matter how I went about it... and Notepad is still what I am typing most of my D source code in.
>
>TZ
>
>
>

"Anders F Björklund" <afb@algonet.se> wrote in message news:d3ofhj$d96$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> TechnoZeus wrote:
>
> > Not sure what went through, but I see what came back on this end.  All
> > of the characters I was talking about have been converted to question marks!
>
> Your Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6, didn't send it as UTF-8...
>
> > Oh, and in case they do...  "?" is the one I was talking about as an alternative for the "is" operator.  Would be nice to allow it... but there is a question of whether or not it would get used, and a question of whether or not it may be lost when the source core is saved or sent or in some other way transfered from it's original location.
>
> See this old post http://www.digitalmars.com/drn-bin/wwwnews?D/19736 and http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?FeatureRequestList/UnicodeOperators
>
> Even if a bunch of weird Unicode alpha characters are now allowed as identifiers, allowing Unicode operators haven't been very popular...
>
> The easiest is still to use ASCII ? That tends to work about anywhere. --anders

Yes, and the main reason ASCII is so popular, is because most keyboards don't have any characters represented on them that are outside of the 128 ASCII characters (#00 through #7F hexadecimal) and most of those that do have characters outside of that range only include a few extra letters from the 256 character Latin1 ANSI set.   That's why I said... It's too bad most keyboards don't have keys for certain symbols.

Like I said... just wishful thinking... but maybe some day it'll happen.  :)

TZ

Yeah, the characters I had typed didn't send.  That's how poorly they're supported.

TZ

"Stewart Gordon" <smjg_1998@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:d3oshi$rra$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> TechnoZeus wrote:
> > It's too bad most keyboards don't have keys for symbols like ?, ?, ?,
> >  ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, and ?.
>
> Huh?  Most keyboards I've seen in my time have just two keys covering all of these symbols.
>
> > It's interesting that Japanese can be typed in Hiragana, Katakana, or Romanji characters, and yet we can't find a way to include such useful characters as these in a programming language.  No insult to anyone intended here, by the way.  No one person is responsable for this situation.  It just is.
> >
> > Wouldn't it be nice though, if "?" could be used as an alternative to the "is" operator for identity, at the very least?
> <snip>
>
> Not sure about this ... looks too much like the conditional operator.
>
> Stewart.
>
> -- 
> My e-mail is valid but not my primary mailbox.  Please keep replies on the 'group where everyone may benefit.

Yes, I do have a setting for that.

I currently have it set to 32767 characters, so that it doesn't add arbitrary line breaks in places that might change the meaning of what I am typing.
Perhaps it would be helpful if I would adopt a habit of typing a line break at the end of each sentence (or phrase).
I could then simply type a line break and carrage return (paragraph break) at the end of a paragraph.
A bit like I'm doing here.
Would that help?

If you would like me to try setting automatic line breaks at a cretain number of characters,
let me know what number and I will consider trying it.
I would rather not, because I have to go into the registry to change it back,
but I do understand your concern,
and would rather not put anyone through having to scroll unreasonable distances to read what I've posted.

Thanks for pointing this out.

TZ


"jicman" <jicman_member@pathlink.com> wrote in message news:d3p4fe$131j$1@digitaldaemon.com...
>
> Greetings!
>
> TechnoZeus,
>
> your posts are very hard to read.  They are all in out line.  I don't have a news-reader so I have to read the posts through the web interface.  Do you have a setting on your newsreader that will set a column break?  It will make it easier for those of us that have to scroll all the way to the right to read your posts.
>
> just a thought...
>
> thanks,
>
> josé
>
>
> TechnoZeus says...
> >
> >It's too bad most keyboards don't have keys for symbols like ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, and ?.  It's interesting that Japanese can be typed in Hiragana, Katakana, or Romanji characters, and yet we can't find a way to include such useful characters as these in a programming language.  No insult to anyone intended here, by the way.  No one person is responsable for this situation.  It just is.
> >
> >Wouldn't it be nice though, if "?" could be used as an alternative to the "is" operator for identity, at the very least?  But... I for one can say that I've tried to type such things in Notepad and it simply wouldn't let me, no matter how I went about it... and Notepad is still what I am typing most of my D source code in.
> >
> >TZ
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Nobody hinders you to hack an editor to do a translation on the fly. Alternatively, you could also write a preprocessor that takes unicode and spits out regular ASCII D source. Anyhow: the standard representation should definitely stay in ASCII.


TechnoZeus schrieb:
> Ha!  There's a perfect example of what I mean...  To those who are reading this in "plain text" I apologize for the markup codes, but it looks like they are "necessary" at this point.
>  Well, I'll try this again, in HTML and see if they go through...  ∴∈⊆⊂⊃∧∨∏∑∫√∝∞∠≈≠≤≡≥
>  Not sure what went through, but I see what came back on this end.  All of the characters I was talking about have been converted to question marks!
>  Oh, and in case they do...  "≡" is the one I was talking about as an alternative for the "is" operator.  Would be nice to allow it... but there is a question of whether or not it would get used, and a question of whether or not it may be lost when the source core is saved or sent or in some other way transfered from it's original location.
>  TZ
>  "TechnoZeus" <TechnoZeus@PeoplePC.com <mailto:TechnoZeus@PeoplePC.com>> wrote in message news:d3od0n$b7o$1@digitaldaemon.com...
>  > It's too bad most keyboards don't have keys for symbols like ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, and ?.  It's interesting that Japanese can be typed in Hiragana, Katakana, or Romanji characters, and yet we can't find a way to include such useful characters as these in a programming language.  No insult to anyone intended here, by the way.  No one person is responsable for this situation.  It just is.
>  >
>  > Wouldn't it be nice though, if "?" could be used as an alternative to the "is" operator for identity, at the very least?  But... I for one can say that I've tried to type such things in Notepad and it simply wouldn't let me, no matter how I went about it... and Notepad is still what I am typing most of my D source code in.
>  >
>  > TZ
>  >
>  >
>  >