jcc7 wrote:

> It's supposed to be a beneficial feature of the wiki. The links can be renamed,
> though it takes some more effort.
> 
> Is this better now?
> http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?FrontPage
> 
> jcc7


Much better! thank you, Justin!

-JJR

Bruno Medeiros wrote:

> Try this for a great show of the potential of CSS and separation of
> content and presentation:
> http://www.csszengarden.com/
> :)
> 

Actually most(all?) of the css designs on that site go against the point
of CSS, which is that websites should "flow".  You can resize my layout
and it will remain readable. If you change the font
size(ctrl+mouse_wheel), everything just gets bigger but stays pretty
much the same (except the big D).

nick wrote:
> I threw together a very quick mockup in html/css and just copy pasted some content into that shell. It could looks tons better with more than 15 minutes worth of work:
> 
> http://hcoop.net/~natamas/random/tabs.png

Had a bit more time so I followed up on that previous layout(Try changing the font size: ctrl+wheel.):

http://hcoop.net/~natamas/d/template.html


I'll admit it up front, there is 1 table in there so that I don't have to do any crazy CSS hacks.

Any criticism? (too dark, D too big, etc.)
Anyone interested in using something like this?

nick wrote:
> nick wrote:
>> I threw together a very quick mockup in html/css and just copy pasted
>> some content into that shell. It could looks tons better with more than
>> 15 minutes worth of work:
>>
>> http://hcoop.net/~natamas/random/tabs.png
> 
> Had a bit more time so I followed up on that previous layout(Try
> changing the font size: ctrl+wheel.):
> 
> http://hcoop.net/~natamas/d/template.html
> 
> 
> I'll admit it up front, there is 1 table in there so that I don't have
> to do any crazy CSS hacks.
> 
> Any criticism? (too dark, D too big, etc.)
> Anyone interested in using something like this?
> 
> 


Wow, that is really nice! I think it's the best example yet.

-JJR

nick wrote:
> nick wrote:
>> I threw together a very quick mockup in html/css and just copy pasted
>> some content into that shell. It could looks tons better with more than
>> 15 minutes worth of work:
>>
>> http://hcoop.net/~natamas/random/tabs.png
> 
> Had a bit more time so I followed up on that previous layout(Try
> changing the font size: ctrl+wheel.):
> 
> http://hcoop.net/~natamas/d/template.html
> 
> 
> I'll admit it up front, there is 1 table in there so that I don't have
> to do any crazy CSS hacks.
> 
> Any criticism? (too dark, D too big, etc.)
> Anyone interested in using something like this?
> 
> 
> 
> 

Perhaps Walter could use this for www.digitalmars.com/d/ ?

-- 
Kyle Furlong // Physics Undergrad, UCSB

"D is going wherever the D community wants it to go." - Walter Bright

nick wrote:
> nick wrote:
>> I threw together a very quick mockup in html/css and just copy pasted
>> some content into that shell. It could looks tons better with more than
>> 15 minutes worth of work:
>>
>> http://hcoop.net/~natamas/random/tabs.png
> 
> Had a bit more time so I followed up on that previous layout(Try
> changing the font size: ctrl+wheel.):
> 
> http://hcoop.net/~natamas/d/template.html

Wow! Very cool. I especially like the C++ and D "watermarks" in the code sections.

> I'll admit it up front, there is 1 table in there so that I don't have
> to do any crazy CSS hacks.
> 
> Any criticism? (too dark, D too big, etc.)

I may be the only one, but I still think the D is too large. It bothers me to see so much empty space at the top of the page. It means I'd have to do that much more scrolling to read a page. :(

Maybe it could at least be moved to the left and have something useful placed beside it.

> Anyone interested in using something like this?

Yes, I think it's a good candidate for the official Digital Mars website and/or Wiki4D.

-- 
jcc7

Very cool.


"nick" <nick.atamas@gmail.com> wrote in message news:e3bu25$28ph$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> nick wrote:
> > I threw together a very quick mockup in html/css and just copy pasted some content into that shell. It could looks tons better with more than 15 minutes worth of work:
> >
> > http://hcoop.net/~natamas/random/tabs.png
>
> Had a bit more time so I followed up on that previous layout(Try changing the font size: ctrl+wheel.):
>
> http://hcoop.net/~natamas/d/template.html
>
>
> I'll admit it up front, there is 1 table in there so that I don't have to do any crazy CSS hacks.
>
> Any criticism? (too dark, D too big, etc.)
> Anyone interested in using something like this?
>
>
>
>

nick wrote:
> nick wrote:
>> I threw together a very quick mockup in html/css and just copy pasted
>> some content into that shell. It could looks tons better with more than
>> 15 minutes worth of work:
>>
>> http://hcoop.net/~natamas/random/tabs.png
> 
> Had a bit more time so I followed up on that previous layout(Try
> changing the font size: ctrl+wheel.):
> 
> http://hcoop.net/~natamas/d/template.html
> 
> 
> I'll admit it up front, there is 1 table in there so that I don't have
> to do any crazy CSS hacks.
> 
> Any criticism? (too dark, D too big, etc.)
> Anyone interested in using something like this?
> 
> 
> 

I don't like it. That D is a huge waste of (vertical) space [the header looks like propaganda for some dystopian politicial/social regime :p ]. Even if the D image has content on the sides it will still be too big.

Also, what is the content layout relationship between the tab navigation, and the left-column navigation? Are they at the same level, or which one is hierarchically superior? This aspect is quite important.

I also don't like the pretty round shape of the tabs (too MacOSX'y?), altough I admit that this one is a personal and subjective opinion. (like my overall abhorring of MacOSX like looks)

-- 
Bruno Medeiros - CS/E student
http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?BrunoMedeiros#D

Kyle Furlong wrote:
> Bruno Medeiros wrote:
>> First of all, don't call it "hobbyists" :P  We are all "early adopters", and for most of us D is more than hobby (even if the allocated time is similar). Hobbyism and hobby programs for me is the trivial stuff I write in the Bash shell scripting language (which sucks BTW).
>>
>>
>> Kyle Furlong wrote:
>>> I'm becoming more and more convinced that D needs a polished presence. How did Java succeed? Marketing. Plain and simple, the first revisions sucked, but got evangelized extremely effectively. How much better, since we have a quality compiler, to market it.
>>>
>>
>> Matureness must come before marketing.
>> Still, early "evangelism", as Walter put it, (which I consider different from marketing) is important and does come before matureness, since attracting a good number of (and an influential set of) early adopters is crucial to achieve matureness and "goodness".
>>
> 
> How would you quantify this? Then once you do, where would you place DMD?
> 

I'm not sure what you mean or what you're asking bout.


-- 
Bruno Medeiros - CS/E student
http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?BrunoMedeiros#D

John Reimer wrote:
> jcc7 wrote:
> 
>> It's supposed to be a beneficial feature of the wiki. The links can be renamed,
>> though it takes some more effort.
>>
>> Is this better now?
>> http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?FrontPage
>>
>> jcc7
> 
> 
> 
> Much better! thank you, Justin!
> 
> -JJR

There was an earlier reference to the mediawiki software that is used in  http://www.wikipedia.org. This avoids camelCase notation, and it has a really significant advantage - each page has four tabs:

* the actual content
* discussion about the content
* a source/edit tab
* a history tab.

In a wiki that does not have per-page discussion features, the discussion tends to happen on the page, which will then look out of date unless someone cleans it all up, and in that case you lose the discussion, or run into problems of wikiquette - one person's outdated discussion may be another person's valuable contribution.

As it happens, wikipedia was having problems just now :( But it also makes effective use of css.

-- 
Peri Hankey                               mpah@thegreen.co.uk
http://languagemachine.sourceforge.net - The language machine