Georg Wrede wrote:

> (
> 
> Case in point: the favicon.ico file on digitalmars.com looks just... eh, well, like a case in point.
> 
> Why not take the red graphic from the Digital Mars logo, and resize it to fit the favicon.ico?
> 
> )

I liked Justin's favicon (very simple, very to the point). I just
thought it could use some AA. =)

In article <e3ipce$kr4$1@digitaldaemon.com>, nick says...
>
>The thread "Today the Hobbyist, Tommorow, The World!" seems to have drawn a group of people interested in improving the online presence of D. I read many reassuring posts and decided to create a new thread specifically for the purpose of improving the online presence of D.

If that new web site comes into reality, do not forget good (complete and fast to use) language reference, tutorials and examples. Meaning documentation that do not assume user is c++ guru with 37 years of coding experience.

Documentation is basically weakest point with D currently, and it needs to be fixed sooner or later.

nick wrote:
 > I have set up a temporary MoinMoin install on my Powerbook while I'm
> creating the D Theme for it (html template available here:
> www.hcoop.net/~natamas/d/template.html).

I feel a more utilitarian approach would suit D better. This design seems far too dark and I fail to see how it's an improvement on the current site.

The Python site at http://www.python.org looks great and conveys a professional feel, while actually being fairly plain. One of the nicer language sites I've seen.

John C.

In article <e3mlq9$22mo$1@digitaldaemon.com>, nick says...
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>Georg Wrede wrote:
>
>> (
>> 
>> Case in point: the favicon.ico file on digitalmars.com looks just... eh, well, like a case in point.
>> 
>> Why not take the red graphic from the Digital Mars logo, and resize it to fit the favicon.ico?
>> 
>> )
>
>I liked Justin's favicon (very simple, very to the point). I just
>thought it could use some AA. =)

I'm sure that someone else (probably many someone elses) can come up with a
better icon for this than I could (and if we're lucky, many such icons will be
donated to the cause).

What does "AA" stand for? Black background? I intended for mine to have a transparent background, since that seems to be what most favicons do.

jcc7

jcc7 wrote:
> In article <e3mlq9$22mo$1@digitaldaemon.com>, nick says...
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>> Georg Wrede wrote:
>>
>>> (
>>>
>>> Case in point: the favicon.ico file on digitalmars.com looks just... eh,
>>> well, like a case in point.
>>>
>>> Why not take the red graphic from the Digital Mars logo, and resize it
>>> to fit the favicon.ico?
>>>
>>> )
>> I liked Justin's favicon (very simple, very to the point). I just
>> thought it could use some AA. =)
> 
> I'm sure that someone else (probably many someone elses) can come up with a
> better icon for this than I could (and if we're lucky, many such icons will be
> donated to the cause). 
> 
> What does "AA" stand for? Black background? I intended for mine to have a
> transparent background, since that seems to be what most favicons do.
> 
> jcc7


Justin, I think he means Anti-Aliasing.

-JJR

nick wrote:
> Yet another reason I like MoinMoin: it has internationalization support.
> As far as appearances go, the site doesn't need to look super pretty. It
> is probably more important to not look bad than it is to look really
> good. It is important to conjure up as few negative emotions as possible
> in your average Internet reader/potential D enthusiast.
> 
> I have set up a temporary MoinMoin install on my Powerbook while I'm
> creating the D Theme for it (html template available here:
> www.hcoop.net/~natamas/d/template.html).
> 
> 
> Unknown W. Brackets wrote:
>> That one most people are better at following.  Although most interactive
>> developers don't bother to send correct caching headers.
>>
>> It's really not that bad, though, I can think of many examples of sites
>> that were well-designed and were easy to make accessible while still
>> following the design.
>>
>> I just do interactive sites, though; I'm no artist.  As far as making
>> the online presence of D feel right, accessible, interactive, and
>> responsive - I could help.  But I can't help make it look pretty.
>>
>> Anyway, I might also mention that whatever avenues you pursue, you also
>> add to that list you have keeping internationalization and localization
>> in mind.  Eventually you will want these things, I think.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -[Unknown]

Let me say I too am one of those who isn't very found of this new design. I think utility and usability are more important, and although the current site could use some minor cosmetic changes, I too think this new template is "too pretty".
For instance, those "d" and "c++" outlines on the code samples, yuck. And I also don't like the dark style, the rounded tabs, the too small width of the the left navigation bar as the well the bold text there. I do realize, however, that this is a particularly subjective issue.

Also, let me take this opportunity to make a remark (regarding functionality). There should be an accessible way on the site to search the documentation only. Currently the NG archives are searched as well, and they get most of the search results :/ . Basically I mean something like the following google search:
site:digitalmars.com/d -digitalmars.com/d/archives FOOBAR
(thx dbot)

-- 
Bruno Medeiros - CS/E student
http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?BrunoMedeiros#D

John Reimer wrote:
> jcc7 wrote:
>> In article <e3mlq9$22mo$1@digitaldaemon.com>, nick says...
>>> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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>>> Georg Wrede wrote:
>>>
>>>> (
>>>>
>>>> Case in point: the favicon.ico file on digitalmars.com looks just... eh,
>>>> well, like a case in point.
>>>>
>>>> Why not take the red graphic from the Digital Mars logo, and resize it
>>>> to fit the favicon.ico?
>>>>
>>>> )
>>> I liked Justin's favicon (very simple, very to the point). I just
>>> thought it could use some AA. =)
>>
>> I'm sure that someone else (probably many someone elses) can come up with a
>> better icon for this than I could (and if we're lucky, many such icons will be
>> donated to the cause).
>> What does "AA" stand for? Black background? I intended for mine to have a
>> transparent background, since that seems to be what most favicons do.
>>
>> jcc7
> 
> 
> Justin, I think he means Anti-Aliasing.
> 
> -JJR

Now, I feel dumb. ;)

Oh, that must be what he meant, though I'd rather anti-alias against a transparent background than a black background (if that makes any sense).

The first "AA" that I thought of was Alcoholics Anonymous (which made no sense).

I did a little web search, but I quit looking after the first page:
http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?Acronym=AA

I didn't think that "American Airlines" made any more sense. Finally, I decided that he meant "Affirmative Action". So I decided he found my "albino" background offensive and preferred to have a darker background.


-- 
jcc7

Justin C Calvarese wrote:
> John Reimer wrote:
>>
>>
>> Justin, I think he means Anti-Aliasing.
>>
>> -JJR
> 
> Now, I feel dumb. ;)
> 
> Oh, that must be what he meant, though I'd rather anti-alias against a transparent background than a black background (if that makes any sense).
> 
> The first "AA" that I thought of was Alcoholics Anonymous (which made no sense).
> 
> I did a little web search, but I quit looking after the first page:
> http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?Acronym=AA
> 
> I didn't think that "American Airlines" made any more sense. Finally, I decided that he meant "Affirmative Action". So I decided he found my "albino" background offensive and preferred to have a darker background.
> 
> 


lol

:D

-JJR

Does this site work with Firefox or it just doesn't work at all?

nick wrote:
> The thread "Today the Hobbyist, Tommorow, The World!" seems to have
> drawn a group of people interested in improving the online presence of
> D. I read many reassuring posts and decided to create a new thread
> specifically for the purpose of improving the online presence of D.
> 
> Ideally D's online presence would be centralized. It would be approved
> and supported by Walter. Perhaps what we need is an "official" D site;
> one that would replace http://www.digitalmars.com/d/ (only with Walter's
> blessings, naturally). Walter would have the final say for what happens
> on this site, but the community could provide more content and present
> it well while freeing up Walter's time to work on the language.
> 
> I have made a template layout, and would like to donate it to the D
> cause. I hope I'm not being pretentious when I assume that with a little
> bit of polish, this layout will be good enough to represent D online.
> 
> http://hcoop.net/~natamas/d/template.html (improvements pending)
> 
> 
> Walter, what do you think about this?
> 
> 
> Anyone interested in helping, anyone with criticism/suggestions, etc, I
> would like to hear from you.
> 
> Some of the immediate questions that would need to be answered are:
>  - Walter's blessing (after all, we can't be "official" without that)
>  - reliable hosting
>  - new wiki (wiki4d has good content, do we have permission to use it?)
>  - content: wiki content, tutorials for D, library reference; a lot of
> it exists but we need to bring it to one place with permission

In article <e4i0ke$1u20$1@digitaldaemon.com>, Cris says...
>
>Does this site work with Firefox or it just doesn't work at all?
>

This is simply a template, not a full blown site. As such it does not work!

>nick wrote:
>> The thread "Today the Hobbyist, Tommorow, The World!" seems to have drawn a group of people interested in improving the online presence of D. I read many reassuring posts and decided to create a new thread specifically for the purpose of improving the online presence of D.
>> 
>> Ideally D's online presence would be centralized. It would be approved and supported by Walter. Perhaps what we need is an "official" D site; one that would replace http://www.digitalmars.com/d/ (only with Walter's blessings, naturally). Walter would have the final say for what happens on this site, but the community could provide more content and present it well while freeing up Walter's time to work on the language.
>> 
>> I have made a template layout, and would like to donate it to the D cause. I hope I'm not being pretentious when I assume that with a little bit of polish, this layout will be good enough to represent D online.
>> 
>> http://hcoop.net/~natamas/d/template.html (improvements pending)
>> 
>> 
>> Walter, what do you think about this?
>> 
>> 
>> Anyone interested in helping, anyone with criticism/suggestions, etc, I would like to hear from you.
>> 
>> Some of the immediate questions that would need to be answered are:
>>  - Walter's blessing (after all, we can't be "official" without that)
>>  - reliable hosting
>>  - new wiki (wiki4d has good content, do we have permission to use it?)
>>  - content: wiki content, tutorials for D, library reference; a lot of
>> it exists but we need to bring it to one place with permission