Go to this page: http://developer.apple.com/leopard/overview/index.html

And search for: "D programming language".


I am pretty sure it is not our beloved D they are talking about. And I also think /the other D/ will probably get more press, and sooner.

Branding problem? Google hits? Etc?

I still think that "Mars D" could be a more unique name.


// Fredrik Olsson

Fredrik Olsson wrote:
> Go to this page: http://developer.apple.com/leopard/overview/index.html
> 
> And search for: "D programming language".
> 
> 
> I am pretty sure it is not our beloved D they are talking about. And I also think /the other D/ will probably get more press, and sooner.
> 
> Branding problem? Google hits? Etc?
> 
> I still think that "Mars D" could be a more unique name.
> 
> 
> // Fredrik Olsson

So Apple's OS X finally gets a bit of Sun's DTrace.

http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/content/dtrace/

I think people have contacted Sun about this and they don't seem to care.

BA

Brad Anderson wrote:

> Fredrik Olsson wrote:
>> Go to this page: http://developer.apple.com/leopard/overview/index.html
>> 
>> And search for: "D programming language".
>> 
>> 
>> I am pretty sure it is not our beloved D they are talking about. And I also think /the other D/ will probably get more press, and sooner.
>> 
>> Branding problem? Google hits? Etc?
>> 
>> I still think that "Mars D" could be a more unique name.
>> 
>> 
>> // Fredrik Olsson
> 
> So Apple's OS X finally gets a bit of Sun's DTrace.
> 
> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/content/dtrace/
> 
> I think people have contacted Sun about this and they don't seem to care.
> 
> BA

Most people working at Sun don't even know of dtrace, according to a recent chat I had :)

-- 
Lars Ivar Igesund
blog at http://larsivi.net
DSource & #D: larsivi

On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 07:29:29 -0700, Fredrik Olsson <peylow@gmail.com> wrote:

> Go to this page: http://developer.apple.com/leopard/overview/index.html
>
> And search for: "D programming language".
>
>
> I am pretty sure it is not our beloved D they are talking about. And I also think /the other D/ will probably get more press, and sooner.
>
> Branding problem? Google hits? Etc?
>
> I still think that "Mars D" could be a more unique name.
>
>
> // Fredrik Olsson


The language used with DTrace is not likely to be a threat.  It's been around for awhile and any press it got before doesn't seem to have done much for it.  Besides it's pretty much a domain specific language.  It's not a D competitor at all.

-JJR

Fredrik Olsson wrote:
> Go to this page: http://developer.apple.com/leopard/overview/index.html
> 
> And search for: "D programming language".
> 
> 
> I am pretty sure it is not our beloved D they are talking about. And I also think /the other D/ will probably get more press, and sooner.
> 
> Branding problem? Google hits? Etc?
> 
> I still think that "Mars D" could be a more unique name.
> 
> 
> // Fredrik Olsson

Maybe it will boost our tiobe index ratings :)

clayasaurus wrote:
> Fredrik Olsson wrote:
>> Go to this page: http://developer.apple.com/leopard/overview/index.html
>>
>> And search for: "D programming language".
>>
>>
>> I am pretty sure it is not our beloved D they are talking about. And I also think /the other D/ will probably get more press, and sooner.
>>
>> Branding problem? Google hits? Etc?
>>
>> I still think that "Mars D" could be a more unique name.
>>
>>
>> // Fredrik Olsson
> 
> Maybe it will boost our tiobe index ratings :)

lol

Or maybe TOIBE will drop D because it's too hard to get an automated bot to tell the two languages apart.

On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:20:07 -0700, clayasaurus <clayasaurus@gmail.com> wrote:

> Fredrik Olsson wrote:
>> Go to this page: http://developer.apple.com/leopard/overview/index.html
>>  And search for: "D programming language".
>>   I am pretty sure it is not our beloved D they are talking about. And I also think /the other D/ will probably get more press, and sooner.
>>  Branding problem? Google hits? Etc?
>>  I still think that "Mars D" could be a more unique name.
>>   // Fredrik Olsson
>
> Maybe it will boost our tiobe index ratings :)


Oh... man, you might be just right about that...

dtrace does show up on google now and again... maybe we are getting some false highs there?

-JJR

John Reimer skrev:
> On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 07:29:29 -0700, Fredrik Olsson <peylow@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Go to this page: http://developer.apple.com/leopard/overview/index.html
>>
>> And search for: "D programming language".
>>
>>
>> I am pretty sure it is not our beloved D they are talking about. And I also think /the other D/ will probably get more press, and sooner.
>>
>> Branding problem? Google hits? Etc?
>>
>> I still think that "Mars D" could be a more unique name.
>>
>>
>> // Fredrik Olsson
> 
> 
> The language used with DTrace is not likely to be a threat.  It's been around for awhile and any press it got before doesn't seem to have done much for it.  Besides it's pretty much a domain specific language.  It's not a D competitor at all.
> 
I am not worrying of competition at all. I am worrying that two identically named languages will screw up search results, and conversations with the uninformed.

In short just how will http://www.google.com/codesearch react? DTrace D programing language have a much higher probability of becoming known to the large masses, will it's fame and domain specific use taint "our" D?


So point is still; I think another name like "Mars D" that is more unique will prove more useful in the long run. The odds of Sun changing their name is nil and void.


// Fredrik Olsson

> -JJR

Fredrik Olsson wrote:
> John Reimer skrev:
>> On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 07:29:29 -0700, Fredrik Olsson <peylow@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Go to this page: http://developer.apple.com/leopard/overview/index.html
>>>
>>> And search for: "D programming language".
>>>
>>>
>>> I am pretty sure it is not our beloved D they are talking about. And I also think /the other D/ will probably get more press, and sooner.
>>>
>>> Branding problem? Google hits? Etc?
>>>
>>> I still think that "Mars D" could be a more unique name.
>>>
>>>
>>> // Fredrik Olsson
>>
>>
>> The language used with DTrace is not likely to be a threat.  It's been around for awhile and any press it got before doesn't seem to have done much for it.  Besides it's pretty much a domain specific language.  It's not a D competitor at all.
>>
> I am not worrying of competition at all. I am worrying that two identically named languages will screw up search results, and conversations with the uninformed.
> 
> In short just how will http://www.google.com/codesearch react? DTrace D programing language have a much higher probability of becoming known to the large masses, will it's fame and domain specific use taint "our" D?
> 
> 
> So point is still; I think another name like "Mars D" that is more unique will prove more useful in the long run. The odds of Sun changing their name is nil and void.
> 
> 
> // Fredrik Olsson
> 
>> -JJR

If at all possible, I think it would be good to get "D Programming Language" trademarked, and then ask DTrace folks nicely once more to stop using the name.  Heck, it must annoy them more than it annoys us. Search for "D programming language" turns up nothing but links to this D.  Really it would be more a service to their community than ours for them to stop calling it "D programming language".

Googling a bit, I see the Wikipedia page calls them "DTrace scripts" and not the "D programs", and doesn't even mention "The D Programming Language".    And the opensolaris page about dtrace has links to "DTrace Scripts" not D scripts or D language scripts.

But the extension used does seem to be .d (when it's not nothing), so google code searches might get confused.  Google has to deal with that already, though, when it comes to .h files.  I suspect they use some sort of heuristic to determine what language something really is.  For D  vs DTrace should be pretty easy:
  contains more 'import','//','/+','class','opThisOrThat' -> it's D.
  contains more '#', 'fi', '$', '::', ':::' -> it's DTrace.
Not that hard to differentiate automatically with a few regexps and a tally.


A previous thread on this:
http://www.digitalmars.com/d/archives/27897.html

--bb

Fredrik Olsson <peylow@gmail.com> wrote in news:ehn3fv$10m1$1@digitaldaemon.com:

> So point is still; I think another name like "Mars D" that is more unique will prove more useful in the long run.

"Mars D" seems to tie the language to a single implementation. In the long run, that probably isn't ideal.

Peter