On Tuesday, 17 June 2014 at 17:10:16 UTC, Mengu wrote:
> and also the genius idea to post each talk seperately instead of having a nice talks page on dconf.org and providing a link for that. i'd understand the keynotes but for the rest of the talks this is / was not a good idea.

I think the hope was that it would attract more views overall. I think what was not taken into account was the way Reddit post get viewed, having their up votes spread out among the different posts is much worse than pooling them as the reddit posts are far less likely to be viewed with low up vote counts. Also its annoying for us who just want to watch the talks.

A much better strategy would have been a full release of all the talks followed with a reddit post of all of them to get the large burst up front, then after wards have individual posts for each video to get the staggering as well. It would effectively doubled each videos exposure(reddit is all reposts any ways so its all the better :P).

On Tuesday, 17 June 2014 at 17:10:16 UTC, Mengu wrote:
> On Monday, 16 June 2014 at 22:14:01 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
>> The reddit response this year hasn't been particularly impressive it seems to me compared to last year :(
>
> r/programming and hn is all about rust and go. on hn many d posts are invisible after some time. i believe mods are taking action there. if we want their attention, we should compare d with others; we should benchmark d and brag about the results etc. other than that, people are not paying attention to D and it's beautiful features.

I don't know why people bother with those silly sites, which I don't read at all unless they're linked here.  None of these benchmarks or other links matter.  Nobody paid attention to ruby for a decade, until David Hansson built rails with it.

I have seen over and over again that nobody has the ability to reason about an idea or tool like this.  You have to build something better with it, something they want, then they'll all flock to use or copy it.

You want to show how great D is, build something great with it.  Nothing else matters.

> and also the genius idea to post each talk seperately instead of having a nice talks page on dconf.org and providing a link for that. i'd understand the keynotes but for the rest of the talks this is / was not a good idea.

Don't you know that it's better to maintain a steady stream of publicity for D on sites full of people who always dismiss it, rather than making the talks available immediately to the people who actually use D and want to watch them?

endSarcasm();

I don't mind it as much, because I'm not bingeing on the talks and spreading out watching them instead, but it'd be nice to see the talks I missed on the livestream and want to watch now, rather than at some indeterminate date in the future.

On Tuesday, 17 June 2014 at 22:09:06 UTC, Joakim wrote:
> I don't mind it as much, because I'm not bingeing on the talks and spreading out watching them instead, but it'd be nice to see the talks I missed on the livestream and want to watch now, rather than at some indeterminate date in the future.

I just wish they would release the day 3 afternoon talks sooner since I (as well as others) missed them.

On Tuesday, 17 June 2014 at 22:09:06 UTC, Joakim wrote:
> Don't you know that it's better to maintain a steady stream of publicity for D on sites full of people who always dismiss it, rather than making the talks available immediately to the people who actually use D and want to watch them?

"Every day until you like it."

On Tuesday, 17 June 2014 at 22:00:42 UTC, Tofu Ninja wrote:
> On Tuesday, 17 June 2014 at 17:10:16 UTC, Mengu wrote:
>> and also the genius idea to post each talk seperately instead of having a nice talks page on dconf.org and providing a link for that. i'd understand the keynotes but for the rest of the talks this is / was not a good idea.
>
> I think the hope was that it would attract more views overall. I think what was not taken into account was the way Reddit post get viewed, having their up votes spread out among the different posts is much worse than pooling them as the reddit posts are far less likely to be viewed with low up vote counts. Also its annoying for us who just want to watch the talks.
>
> A much better strategy would have been a full release of all the talks followed with a reddit post of all of them to get the large burst up front, then after wards have individual posts for each video to get the staggering as well. It would effectively doubled each videos exposure(reddit is all reposts any ways so its all the better :P).

According to Andrei's talk, it worked quite effectively last year based off the increased number of compiler downloads per month immediately following DConf. And I do think that it does work better as well, though have no evidence for that besides the number of downloads that Andrei said.

On 2014-06-17 05:38, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
> On Monday, 16 June 2014 at 22:23:31 UTC, Dicebot wrote:
>> I have found many of talks this year incredibly interesting for actual
>> D users but not as "catchy" for something that passes by. Also lot of
>> stuff has been discussed live in #d and ustream chat room.
>
> Yeah.
>
>> Or r/programming is just so saturated with links that something that
>> does not fit into "tl; dr" paragraph does not get any attention :)
>
> It could be that it isn't on the youtube right off too. I posted there
> saying I tried the ogv and it was awful and the mp4 was too big... so
> maybe other people aren't inclined to bother with the downloads either.

I don't really like archive.org, it's incredibly slow compared to youtube. I prefer to download instead of streaming. Downloading from youtube takes around a minute (HD quality). Downloading from archive.org takes at least half an hour.

I don't see why it's not uploaded to youtube directly.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg

On Tuesday, 17 June 2014 at 22:09:06 UTC, Joakim wrote:
> Nobody paid attention to ruby for a decade, until David Hansson built rails with it.
>

I am hoping the vibe.d will do that magic to D.
I need support for MS SQL Server to use it in production though.

On Wednesday, 18 June 2014 at 18:50:40 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
> Downloading from youtube takes around a minute (HD quality).

Your internet must be a lot faster than mine :P I only get about 2 Mbps down so I like to get a lower quality file that downloads faster but still plays reliably... youtube seems to handle it well automatically.

> I don't see why it's not uploaded to youtube directly.

yeah idk

I find it impossible to even find the posts on HN. Within a few hours of them being posted by Andrei, they are buried 4-5 pages deep in the 'new' section with very few upvotes.

Last year I saw most of the talks (DConf13) on HN and r/programming. This year I find them only on this forum because the talks are not staying up on HN or r/p front pages for much time.

Saurabh

On Tuesday, 17 June 2014 at 17:10:16 UTC, Mengu wrote:
> On Monday, 16 June 2014 at 22:14:01 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
>> The reddit response this year hasn't been particularly impressive it seems to me compared to last year :(
>
> r/programming and hn is all about rust and go. on hn many d posts are invisible after some time. i believe mods are taking action there. if we want their attention, we should compare d with others; we should benchmark d and brag about the results etc. other than that, people are not paying attention to D and it's beautiful features.
>
> and also the genius idea to post each talk seperately instead of having a nice talks page on dconf.org and providing a link for that. i'd understand the keynotes but for the rest of the talks this is / was not a good idea.

On 2014-06-18 21:45, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:

> Your internet must be a lot faster than mine :P I only get about 2 Mbps
> down so I like to get a lower quality file that downloads faster but
> still plays reliably... youtube seems to handle it well automatically.

My connection is specified to 10 Mbps. But it depends on how large the files are. Most of the files from DConf are under around 350MB in HD quality. On the other hand, Andrei's talk from LangNext 2014 is 1.3 GB and 48 minutes long while the talk by Bjarne is 2.8 GB and 68 minutes long.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg