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Posted in reply to Andrej Mitrovic | On Monday, 17 March 2014 at 10:47:07 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic wrote:
> On 3/17/14, Namespace <rswhite4@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> I think he means the "dlang.sexy" thread.
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> I guess at a certain age people lose their sense of humor.
Obviously they don't. A forum moderator has a duty of care that supersedes his or her personal values and sense of humour.
The pervasive sexism in our profession is a serious problem, and should be addressed wherever it's found. If keeping sex jokes out of an otherwise-professional forum will encourage even one keen developer to stay a while longer in D space, then that's a tremendously small price to pay for an invaluable return.
Good on you for addressing this, Walter, even if the infraction was a small one.
Graham
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Posted in reply to Graham Fawcett | On Monday, 17 March 2014 at 15:50:12 UTC, Graham Fawcett wrote: > On Monday, 17 March 2014 at 10:47:07 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: >> On 3/17/14, Namespace <rswhite4@googlemail.com> wrote: >>> I think he means the "dlang.sexy" thread. >> >> I guess at a certain age people lose their sense of humor. > The pervasive sexism in our profession is a serious problem, and should be addressed wherever it's found. If keeping sex jokes... Sex jokes do not imply sexism. They can form a part of it, but I do not see evidence of that in this community at all. |
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Posted in reply to John Colvin | On Monday, 17 March 2014 at 16:09:34 UTC, John Colvin wrote:
> On Monday, 17 March 2014 at 15:50:12 UTC, Graham Fawcett wrote:
>> On Monday, 17 March 2014 at 10:47:07 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic wrote:
>>> On 3/17/14, Namespace <rswhite4@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>> I think he means the "dlang.sexy" thread.
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>>> I guess at a certain age people lose their sense of humor.
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>> The pervasive sexism in our profession is a serious problem, and should be addressed wherever it's found. If keeping sex jokes...
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> Sex jokes do not imply sexism. They can form a part of it, but I do not see evidence of that in this community at all.
I agree that this community doesn't seem unhealthy; and also that, in general, sex jokes aren't necessarily a sign of sexism. But I also think it's smart to establish a wide margin on community practice. Correcting small, potentially harmful behaviours sets a boundary, and avoids having to deal with larger, certainly-harmful behaviours later on.
There are plenty of appropriate forums for sex jokes on the Internet, we can surely live without them here.
Graham
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Posted in reply to sclytrack | On 3/17/2014 3:45 AM, sclytrack wrote:
> Seems like Walter wants it seriously
> professional. No joking around about D.
Jokes are fine. I post plenty myself. Jokes are fine in a professional work environment. Inappropriate jokes are not. This shouldn't be a mystery.
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Posted in reply to Walter Bright | On Monday, 17 March 2014 at 18:09:29 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
> On 3/17/2014 3:45 AM, sclytrack wrote:
>> Seems like Walter wants it seriously
>> professional. No joking around about D.
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> Jokes are fine. I post plenty myself. Jokes are fine in a professional work environment. Inappropriate jokes are not. This shouldn't be a mystery.
Appropriateness of a joke is purely defined by a culture and is completely subjective. It is perfectly fine to define your own rules on your forum. Trying to appeal to some common morale as a basis for that is not.
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Posted in reply to Graham Fawcett | On 3/17/2014 10:03 AM, Graham Fawcett wrote:
> I agree that this community doesn't seem unhealthy; and also that, in general,
> sex jokes aren't necessarily a sign of sexism. But I also think it's smart to
> establish a wide margin on community practice. Correcting small, potentially
> harmful behaviours sets a boundary, and avoids having to deal with larger,
> certainly-harmful behaviours later on.
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> There are plenty of appropriate forums for sex jokes on the Internet, we can
> surely live without them here.
My sentiments exactly. Thanks for posting this.
We (I'm presuming "we" :-) ) want D to succeed with professionals, and coming with that are the same standards of discourse one would expect in a professional work environment.
And this community has been very professional by default, and I've been extremely pleased and proud at the high quality of the discussions here.
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Posted in reply to Rikki Cattermole | On 3/17/2014 3:55 AM, Rikki Cattermole wrote:
> Perhaps we need to create a community standard guidelines related to this?
The difference between porn and art has defied all attempts at writing a bureaucratic rule defining it, yet we all know which is which when we see it.
I.e. just use good judgement.
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Posted in reply to Dicebot | On Monday, 17 March 2014 at 18:18:34 UTC, Dicebot wrote:
> On Monday, 17 March 2014 at 18:09:29 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
>> On 3/17/2014 3:45 AM, sclytrack wrote:
>>> Seems like Walter wants it seriously
>>> professional. No joking around about D.
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>> Jokes are fine. I post plenty myself. Jokes are fine in a professional work environment. Inappropriate jokes are not. This shouldn't be a mystery.
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> Appropriateness of a joke is purely defined by a culture and is completely subjective. It is perfectly fine to define your own rules on your forum. Trying to appeal to some common morale as a basis for that is not.
+1
As I mentioned in my post below, almost anything is offensive to someone, somewhere.
You won't find a unified view of "Inappropriate" even among a very homogenous group of people, let alone an ad hoc group of collaborators and users spanning the entire globe, an age range of 60+ years and a wide variety of religious/cultural/political views and environments.
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Posted in reply to Graham Fawcett | > The pervasive sexism in our profession is a serious problem, and should be addressed wherever it's found. If keeping sex jokes out of an otherwise-professional forum will encourage even one keen developer to stay a while longer in D space, then that's a tremendously small price to pay for an invaluable return.
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Yeah but it can also discourage the many people who are fed up with political correctness. The "tremendously small price" might be much bigger than you think...
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Posted in reply to John Colvin | On 3/17/2014 11:49 AM, John Colvin wrote:
> As I mentioned in my post below, almost anything is offensive to someone,
> somewhere.
> You won't find a unified view of "Inappropriate" even among a very homogenous
> group of people, let alone an ad hoc group of collaborators and users spanning
> the entire globe, an age range of 60+ years and a wide variety of
> religious/cultural/political views and environments.
Exercising good judgement and common sense is all I ask.
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