On Monday, 17 March 2014 at 10:47:07 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic wrote:
> On 3/17/14, Namespace <rswhite4@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> I think he means the "dlang.sexy" thread.
>
> I guess at a certain age people lose their sense of humor.

Obviously they don't. A forum moderator has a duty of care that supersedes his or her personal values and sense of humour.

The pervasive sexism in our profession is a serious problem, and should be addressed wherever it's found. If keeping sex jokes out of an otherwise-professional forum will encourage even one keen developer to stay a while longer in D space, then that's a tremendously small price to pay for an invaluable return.

Good on you for addressing this, Walter, even if the infraction was a small one.

Graham

On Monday, 17 March 2014 at 15:50:12 UTC, Graham Fawcett wrote:
> On Monday, 17 March 2014 at 10:47:07 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic wrote:
>> On 3/17/14, Namespace <rswhite4@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> I think he means the "dlang.sexy" thread.
>>
>> I guess at a certain age people lose their sense of humor.

> The pervasive sexism in our profession is a serious problem, and should be addressed wherever it's found. If keeping sex jokes...

Sex jokes do not imply sexism. They can form a part of it, but I do not see evidence of that in this community at all.

On Monday, 17 March 2014 at 16:09:34 UTC, John Colvin wrote:
> On Monday, 17 March 2014 at 15:50:12 UTC, Graham Fawcett wrote:
>> On Monday, 17 March 2014 at 10:47:07 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic wrote:
>>> On 3/17/14, Namespace <rswhite4@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>> I think he means the "dlang.sexy" thread.
>>>
>>> I guess at a certain age people lose their sense of humor.
>
>> The pervasive sexism in our profession is a serious problem, and should be addressed wherever it's found. If keeping sex jokes...
>
> Sex jokes do not imply sexism. They can form a part of it, but I do not see evidence of that in this community at all.

I agree that this community doesn't seem unhealthy; and also that, in general, sex jokes aren't necessarily a sign of sexism. But I also think it's smart to establish a wide margin on community practice. Correcting small, potentially harmful behaviours sets a boundary, and avoids having to deal with larger, certainly-harmful behaviours later on.

There are plenty of appropriate forums for sex jokes on the Internet, we can surely live without them here.

Graham

On 3/17/2014 3:45 AM, sclytrack wrote:
>      Seems like Walter wants it seriously
>      professional. No joking around about D.

Jokes are fine. I post plenty myself. Jokes are fine in a professional work environment. Inappropriate jokes are not. This shouldn't be a mystery.

On Monday, 17 March 2014 at 18:09:29 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
> On 3/17/2014 3:45 AM, sclytrack wrote:
>>     Seems like Walter wants it seriously
>>     professional. No joking around about D.
>
> Jokes are fine. I post plenty myself. Jokes are fine in a professional work environment. Inappropriate jokes are not. This shouldn't be a mystery.

Appropriateness of a joke is purely defined by a culture and is completely subjective. It is perfectly fine to define your own rules on your forum. Trying to appeal to some common morale as a basis for that is not.

On 3/17/2014 10:03 AM, Graham Fawcett wrote:
> I agree that this community doesn't seem unhealthy; and also that, in general,
> sex jokes aren't necessarily a sign of sexism. But I also think it's smart to
> establish a wide margin on community practice. Correcting small, potentially
> harmful behaviours sets a boundary, and avoids having to deal with larger,
> certainly-harmful behaviours later on.
>
> There are plenty of appropriate forums for sex jokes on the Internet, we can
> surely live without them here.

My sentiments exactly. Thanks for posting this.

We (I'm presuming "we" :-) ) want D to succeed with professionals, and coming with that are the same standards of discourse one would expect in a professional work environment.

And this community has been very professional by default, and I've been extremely pleased and proud at the high quality of the discussions here.

On 3/17/2014 3:55 AM, Rikki Cattermole wrote:
> Perhaps we need to create a community standard guidelines related to this?

The difference between porn and art has defied all attempts at writing a bureaucratic rule defining it, yet we all know which is which when we see it.

I.e. just use good judgement.

On Monday, 17 March 2014 at 18:18:34 UTC, Dicebot wrote:
> On Monday, 17 March 2014 at 18:09:29 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
>> On 3/17/2014 3:45 AM, sclytrack wrote:
>>>    Seems like Walter wants it seriously
>>>    professional. No joking around about D.
>>
>> Jokes are fine. I post plenty myself. Jokes are fine in a professional work environment. Inappropriate jokes are not. This shouldn't be a mystery.
>
> Appropriateness of a joke is purely defined by a culture and is completely subjective. It is perfectly fine to define your own rules on your forum. Trying to appeal to some common morale as a basis for that is not.

+1

As I mentioned in my post below, almost anything is offensive to someone, somewhere.
You won't find a unified view of "Inappropriate" even among a very homogenous group of people, let alone an ad hoc group of collaborators and users spanning the entire globe, an age range of 60+ years and a wide variety of religious/cultural/political views and environments.

> The pervasive sexism in our profession is a serious problem, and should be addressed wherever it's found. If keeping sex jokes out of an otherwise-professional forum will encourage even one keen developer to stay a while longer in D space, then that's a tremendously small price to pay for an invaluable return.
>

Yeah but it can also discourage the many people who are fed up with political correctness. The "tremendously small price" might be much bigger than you think...

On 3/17/2014 11:49 AM, John Colvin wrote:
> As I mentioned in my post below, almost anything is offensive to someone,
> somewhere.
> You won't find a unified view of "Inappropriate" even among a very homogenous
> group of people, let alone an ad hoc group of collaborators and users spanning
> the entire globe, an age range of 60+ years and a wide variety of
> religious/cultural/political views and environments.

Exercising good judgement and common sense is all I ask.