On Friday, 27 May 2016 at 09:10:08 UTC, ixid wrote:
> On Thursday, 26 May 2016 at 17:07:54 UTC, Seb wrote:
>> I think we all agree that general is having to much traffic and according to CyberShadow [1] this again is just an approval issue, however I expect this a bit controversial, so please no OT! Only other category proposals.
>>
>> Proposed categories:
>>
>> - DMD
>> - DRuntime
>> - Phobos
>> - Language design (or Idea pool)
>> - D Foundation + resources
>> - Events
>> - Other (formerly known as General)
>>
>> I want to stress that whatever categories we pick, we have to adapt them anyways if we realize that something is noisy again or too silent.
>>
>> https://github.com/CyberShadow/DFeed/issues/66
>
> That's far too many categories, it would be better to have General and Technical at this stage.

The current idea (based on all the feedback) was to consolidate the current categories into roughly something like this:

New users:
- Learn / Help
Community:
- General
- Annouce (Official annoucements)
- Broadcast
Development:
- Core (Language and standard library development)
- GDC
- Third-party (Dub universe)

On Thursday, 26 May 2016 at 21:45:56 UTC, Seb wrote:
>
> 1) Afaik the LDC community moved over to Gitter/Github for most of their communication and I guess for them just Annouce or Develop would be fine.

I think the LDC forum has its purpose, and I do not want it gone! Traffic is low, but that's just fine.
Not everybody is on Gitter, and Gitter is only used for quick non-semi-permanent discussion.
Without the forum, you would have to create a Github issue to discuss something even if it is not really an issue that needs resolving, only members of the LDC github group would see it, etc.

-Johan

On 5/27/16 5:10 AM, ixid wrote:
> That's far too many categories

Yes, we should add exactly one. -- Andrei

On Friday, 27 May 2016 at 09:47:08 UTC, Johan Engelen wrote:
> On Thursday, 26 May 2016 at 21:45:56 UTC, Seb wrote:
>>
>> 1) Afaik the LDC community moved over to Gitter/Github for most of their communication and I guess for them just Annouce or Develop would be fine.
>
> I think the LDC forum has its purpose, and I do not want it gone! Traffic is low, but that's just fine.
> Not everybody is on Gitter, and Gitter is only used for quick non-semi-permanent discussion.
> Without the forum, you would have to create a Github issue to discuss something even if it is not really an issue that needs resolving, only members of the LDC github group would see it, etc.

The idea is to merge ldc threads into Core.  You could use a [LDC] label in the topic to differentiate ldc-specific posts, and since there's not much traffic in the dedicated ldc forum, it wouldn't add too much to Core.  It might even give ldc greater visibility by the core team.

I think gdc should do the same, but they have some automated bot that cross-posts comments from their bugzilla, so they may want to keep their own forum if they want to keep doing that.

On 05/26/2016 08:07 PM, Seb wrote:
> I think we all agree that general is having to much traffic and according to CyberShadow [1] this again is just an approval issue, however I expect this a bit controversial, so please no OT! Only other category proposals.
> 
> Proposed categories:
> 
> - DMD
> - DRuntime
> - Phobos
> - Language design (or Idea pool)
> - D Foundation + resources
> - Events
> - Other (formerly known as General)
> 
> I want to stress that whatever categories we pick, we have to adapt them anyways if we realize that something is noisy again or too silent.
> 
> https://github.com/CyberShadow/DFeed/issues/66

Without moderators to move mismatching topic between groups any more fine grained separation will do more harm than good. NG in its current form is simply not a good tool for focused technical discussion and won't be. "Get rid of OT" idea sounds like mockery to anyone who doesn't spend his entire lifetime posting here because 90+% of NG posts are absolutely irrelevant.

On Sunday, 29 May 2016 at 11:28:05 UTC, Dicebot wrote:
> On 05/26/2016 08:07 PM, Seb wrote:
>> I think we all agree that general is having to much traffic and according to CyberShadow [1] this again is just an approval issue, however I expect this a bit controversial, so please no OT! Only other category proposals.
>> 
>> Proposed categories:
>> 
>> - DMD
>> - DRuntime
>> - Phobos
>> - Language design (or Idea pool)
>> - D Foundation + resources
>> - Events
>> - Other (formerly known as General)
>> 
>> I want to stress that whatever categories we pick, we have to adapt them anyways if we realize that something is noisy again or too silent.
>> 
>> https://github.com/CyberShadow/DFeed/issues/66
>
> Without moderators to move mismatching topic between groups any more fine grained separation will do more harm than good. NG in its current form is simply not a good tool for focused technical discussion and won't be. "Get rid of OT" idea sounds like mockery to anyone who doesn't spend his entire lifetime posting here because 90+% of NG posts are absolutely irrelevant.

To avoid confusion the proposal is to reduce the number of forums from 14 (currently) to 7. So we are halfing the number and are _not_ introducing more fine grained separation. Instead the idea was rearange the forums to sth. like this:

New users:
- Learn / Help
Community:
- General
- Annouce (Official annoucements)
- Broadcast
Development:
- Core (Language and standard library development)
- GDC
- Third-party (Dub universe)

On Sunday, 29 May 2016 at 11:35:12 UTC, Seb wrote:
> On Sunday, 29 May 2016 at 11:28:05 UTC, Dicebot wrote:
>> On 05/26/2016 08:07 PM, Seb wrote:
>>> I think we all agree that general is having to much traffic and according to CyberShadow [1] this again is just an approval issue, however I expect this a bit controversial, so please no OT! Only other category proposals.
>>> 
>>> Proposed categories:
>>> 
>>> - DMD
>>> - DRuntime
>>> - Phobos
>>> - Language design (or Idea pool)
>>> - D Foundation + resources
>>> - Events
>>> - Other (formerly known as General)
>>> 
>>> I want to stress that whatever categories we pick, we have to adapt them anyways if we realize that something is noisy again or too silent.
>>> 
>>> https://github.com/CyberShadow/DFeed/issues/66
>>
>> Without moderators to move mismatching topic between groups any more fine grained separation will do more harm than good. NG in its current form is simply not a good tool for focused technical discussion and won't be. "Get rid of OT" idea sounds like mockery to anyone who doesn't spend his entire lifetime posting here because 90+% of NG posts are absolutely irrelevant.
>
> To avoid confusion the proposal is to reduce the number of forums from 14 (currently) to 7. So we are halfing the number and are _not_ introducing more fine grained separation. Instead the idea was rearange the forums to sth. like this:
>
> New users:
> - Learn / Help
> Community:
> - General
> - Annouce (Official annoucements)
> - Broadcast
> Development:
> - Core (Language and standard library development)
> - GDC
> - Third-party (Dub universe)

I like this list better than the current, but with one change: taking LDC out of core and renaming it to LDC and LLVM so other D projects that leverage LLVM can be hosted there (e.g. SDC, Calypso, CPP2D, etc) and to be on par with GDC.

On 5/29/16 7:28 AM, Dicebot wrote:
> On 05/26/2016 08:07 PM, Seb wrote:
>> I think we all agree that general is having to much traffic and
>> according to CyberShadow [1] this again is just an approval issue,
>> however I expect this a bit controversial, so please no OT! Only other
>> category proposals.
>>
>> Proposed categories:
>>
>> - DMD
>> - DRuntime
>> - Phobos
>> - Language design (or Idea pool)
>> - D Foundation + resources
>> - Events
>> - Other (formerly known as General)
>>
>> I want to stress that whatever categories we pick, we have to adapt them
>> anyways if we realize that something is noisy again or too silent.
>>
>> https://github.com/CyberShadow/DFeed/issues/66
>
> Without moderators to move mismatching topic between groups any more
> fine grained separation will do more harm than good.

Note that this isn't possible with the NG being backed by NNTP.

It would be nice to be able to move conversations. Instead of "please use D.learn instead", you would see "moved to more appropriate D.learn".

I'd hate to lose my NNTP interface though :)

-Steve

On Sunday, 29 May 2016 at 11:44:25 UTC, ZombineDev wrote:
> On Sunday, 29 May 2016 at 11:35:12 UTC, Seb wrote:
>> [...]
>
> I like this list better than the current, but with one change: taking LDC out of core and renaming it to LDC and LLVM so other D projects that leverage LLVM can be hosted there (e.g. SDC, Calypso, CPP2D, etc) and to be on par with GDC.

Having an additional LLVM category sounds reasonable.
So we go with this new structure? Any major objections?

> It would be nice to be able to move conversations. Instead of "please use > D.learn instead", you would see "moved to more appropriate D.learn".

See also: https://github.com/CyberShadow/DFeed/issues/67