On Mon, 09 Sep 2013 09:21:16 +0200
Jacob Carlborg <doob@me.com> wrote:

> On 2013-09-08 23:47, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
> 
> > Let's stick to grown-up words here. I'm not a fan of MS or Win either, but every time you write "Windoze" or spell something with $ it does nothing to hurt MS/Win and only makes you and other Posix users look like immature brats.
> 
> Why do you put him together with the rest of us Posix users, seems a bit unfair.
> 

Huh? What are you talking about? I'm not grouping anyone with anything. When non-Windows users go saying things like "Windoze" or "M$" or anything like that, it makes non-Windows users look bad. Makes it a lot easier for people to be dismissive of OSS (or anything non-MS) when we've trained them to associate it with immaturity like that.

On Sun, 08 Sep 2013 23:42:52 +0200
"Ramon" <spam@thanks.no> wrote:
> 
> tl;dr One is grossly mistaken when seeing myself as linux-taliban like anti-MS.
> 

That's fine but you seem to go out of your way to convince people of the exact opposite. Naturally, that *will* mislead people.

Sorry, Joseph Rushton Wakeling

but this is getting silly.

You see, I try to be polite and to value anyones work. I will gladly value your (or Nicks, or ...) views on programming, no matter whether I agree with them, I respect your work and will gladly take your advise on D related matters.

But not you nor anyone else here will educate me on manners or alike. You will not force your private feelings on how one should speak upon me. Period.

You or Nick or Carl or whoever finds it insulting when I say Windoze because I write it in a way you don't like? Sorry, that's ridiculous. Similarly I write Visual$ - the $ meaning "fill in as appropriate" - rather than VisualStudio, VisualExpress, VisualBasic, VisualNet, VisualWhoKnowsWhat? Ridiculous!

Should I now make some noise, too and complain about imaginary insults because you evidently assume that eveyone must know the correct product name of some Visual$ even when he doesn't use Windoze?

This is getting silly. Let us stop that construed out of thin air "problem" ping pong and *really* behave like grown ups that is, return to technical issues.


A+ -R

On 9/9/13, Ramon <spam@thanks.no> wrote:
> Windoze because I write it in a way you don't like? Sorry, that's ridiculous. Similarly I write Visual$ - the $ meaning "fill in as appropriate" - rather than VisualStudio, VisualExpress, VisualBasic, VisualNet, VisualWhoKnowsWhat? Ridiculous!

Drop the act.

On Monday, 9 September 2013 at 10:15:13 UTC, develop32 wrote:
> On Monday, 9 September 2013 at 09:29:11 UTC, Ramon wrote:
>> Well, to me someone who talks in a negative way about another user (or "smartly" works out subtle differences in such remarks) rather than about D related issues looks like an idiot.
>
> You do understand that by saying Windoze you *are* insulting users that use that platform?
>
> On a related note, I am using VisualD for more than a year and I'm happy that it will get a bigger support.

Maybe he should discuss D issues on Slashdot...

Just in case someone has not understood it already: Ramon is using a pretty common trolling approach which can be shortly described as "make an insult, interpret any answer as a personal insult, appeal to cultural differences, loop". He has been doing it since the very first posts here and people are still taking it seriously.

Unless someone starts banning people for not being constructive (hope it will never happen), only thing that can be done is simply ignoring it and focusing on topic. At the very least it will help to keep threads less bloated, at most - force him find more amusing trolling methods.

Trying to reason with him is exactly what he needs to be able to provoke you more.

Peace.

On 9/8/2013 10:05 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> I think we should use the D mainline bug flow for VisualD, effectively vaulting
> VisualD into a first-class component of the D language.
>
> This opens the door to other projects as well - e.g. emacs and vim integration
> helpers.

VisualD is now a component on Bugzilla, so Manu can start reporting bugs there!

On 9/9/2013 2:13 AM, Russel Winder wrote:
> On Mon, 2013-09-09 at 01:43 -0700, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> […]
>> I see no problem with making it a repo under the D-programming-language org.

If someone can point me to how to make it so, I'll take care of it.


> As long as 1 of the 21 members of the organization will take on the
> responsibility for it then fine, go with it. Then we can delete the
> Emacs-D-Mode-Maintainers group.

Even better, I can create a TeamEmacs group that will have pull power for the Emacs repository, and they can be the people who have it for the previous group.

On 9 September 2013 14:49, Dicebot <public@dicebot.lv> wrote:
> Just in case someone has not understood it already: Ramon is using a pretty common trolling approach which can be shortly described as "make an insult, interpret any answer as a personal insult, appeal to cultural differences, loop". He has been doing it since the very first posts here and people are still taking it seriously.
>
> Unless someone starts banning people for not being constructive (hope it will never happen), only thing that can be done is simply ignoring it and focusing on topic. At the very least it will help to keep threads less bloated, at most - force him find more amusing trolling methods.
>
> Trying to reason with him is exactly what he needs to be able to provoke you more.
>
> Peace.

Being direct isn't helpful either, as it just causes more flames and provocation.  I think it is generally well agreed here that attacks and derogatory terms of any kind are not welcome, but this does not require any form of moderation other than a gentle reminder.

With respect, if you wish your posts to be taken seriously and your posts to have a more "adult" air to them, then using tired and somewhat immature terms such as "Visual$, Windoze" etc is not going to achieve that.  You do not need to use an insulting tone to promote D, and using such terms only makes you look bad.

Of course, some of us (myself being included as pretty big FSF advocate) like the GNU/Linux way of doing things better, but as they say, there's more than one way to cook a goose. Do we really need to treat people disrespectfully?


Regards
-- 
Iain Buclaw

*(p < e ? p++ : p) = (c & 0x0f) + '0';

Wow. So many people turning so many circles around so little as "ze" instead of "ws".

What's your objective in all this? To make me nicely say "Windows" as desired by you? A storm in the tea pot for 2 letters?

If that is "grown up" I'd prefer to be an "immature brat".

Is it enough, now? Can we finally return to technical issues? Or are some more "grown up" circles needed?

(Note: This is not in response to dicebot specifially)

@dicebot

I'm generous enough to not feel insulted by your repeated "troll" accusations. Sure enough this is just another symbol of being grown up ;)