Does D have any political goals? (page 4)

On 09/11/2022 12:50 PM, thebluepandabear wrote: > Thanks for the reply. I think I have wasted people's time here by asking this and gone completely off topic (which I apologize for), so I think that this thread can be closed. Its alright. As I said on Discord originally, this is a perfectly reasonable question to ask :)

On 11/8/22 15:50, thebluepandabear wrote: > wasted people's time [...] > this thread can be closed. While we're at it, :) this thread cannot be closed because these "forums" are actually newsgroups. Ali

On Wednesday, 9 November 2022 at 00:33:55 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote: > On 11/8/22 15:50, thebluepandabear wrote: > > > wasted people's time > [...] > > this thread can be closed. > > While we're at it, :) this thread cannot be closed because these "forums" are actually newsgroups. > > Ali Ah ok, wasn't aware that -- thanks for letting me know folks 😀

On Wednesday, 9 November 2022 at 14:01:38 UTC, Quirin Schroll wrote:

On Tuesday, 8 November 2022 at 10:46:55 UTC, Quirin Schroll wrote:

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I forgot that I’ve seen DIP drafts that used her pronouns to refer to an abstract programmer. I’d consider that overtly politically motivated. My personal taste is not even deciding between generic he and the recently emerging, yet disputed among linguists, “singular” they and just go with they and use the plural programmers.

He should not be considered generic in modern writing. Using he or she is equally wrong if gender is not literally intended. Just use something like 'the programmer' or 'the user'. The official D website does not use he as far as I'm aware, at least not in the spec.

This is not political, this is about being factually correct and not anachronistic.

On Monday, 7 November 2022 at 19:22:04 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: > While many of us have strong political opinions, we consider politics to be off-topic and not welcome in the D forums. > > Just bring professional demeanor, check any non-D agendas at the door, and you're welcome here! That's reassuring to hear! I'm really put off by people that want to infuse their politics into everything. It doesn't help that those people tend to have radical views that are not grounded in reality either. From what I've seen the D community is still dominated by reasonable and tolerant people, which is good.

November 10, 2022

Re: Does D have any political goals?

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On 10/11/2022 4:25 AM, torhu wrote:
> On Wednesday, 9 November 2022 at 14:50:08 UTC, Nick Treleaven wrote:
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>> This is not political, this is about being factually correct and not anachronistic.
> 
> I'm pretty sure this is politics dressed as "facts". It's something to be mindful of. Words can have subtle differences of meaning depending on context, and this changes and evolves over time, depending on what people have the need to express. Most people will understand "he" to mean "the person in question" in contexts where gender is of little relevance. If you are consciously aware of this it's easier to notice when someone is coming at it from an ideological place.

Regardless, lets not erase people by using pronouns that greatly favor in specificity one set of people over another. When we are not speaking about specific people.

"they" is a great way to be inclusive, and generally speaking not offend anyone :)

Everyone is welcome here, if their goal is to use D. Lets not push people away over wanting to hold on to language that favors one portion of the population over another.

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