It's all true, D rose up 6 positions: http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html

I don't quite know what the leading factor for that change was but it sure will be great for its image.

On Wednesday, 3 February 2016 at 07:06:47 UTC, cym13 wrote:
> It's all true, D rose up 6 positions: http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html
>
> I don't quite know what the leading factor for that change was but it sure will be great for its image.

I don't think anyone takes Tiobe seriously. Here is the search trend for "dlang", "golang", "swift ios" and "rust (programming langauge)":

https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=dlang%2C%20golang%2C%20swift%20ios%2C%20%2Fm%2F0dsbpg6&cmpt=q&tz=Etc%2FGMT-1

golang and swift are soaring, rust is gaining ground and dlang is stable.

On Wednesday, 3 February 2016 at 07:45:02 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote:
> I don't think anyone takes Tiobe seriously.

I'm pretty sure nobody here does, but I know lots of people outside who care.
Also I find showing even little achievements good for the troop's morale.

I won't enter any fight, see last month's TIOBE post for the arguments ;)

On Wednesday, 3 February 2016 at 07:50:07 UTC, cym13 wrote:
> Also I find showing even little achievements good for the troop's morale.

Well, it is better to have good information. If you zoom in on the link above you'll see some interesting facts on daily patterns. The Swift and Go graph go way down in weekends, so they are used by businesses. Rust does not, so it currently is appealing to hobbyists. D should think about capturing some of that Rust audience.

What is important is to be realistic, so that a good strategy can be selected.

Right now Rust may have 10x more interest than D, and C++ 40x more interest than Rust. Just a guesstimate based on search frequencies, but it stacks up with github.

Am 03.02.2016 um 08:45 schrieb Ola Fosheim Grøstad:
> On Wednesday, 3 February 2016 at 07:06:47 UTC, cym13 wrote:
>> It's all true, D rose up 6 positions:
>> http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html
>>
>> I don't quite know what the leading factor for that change was but it
>> sure will be great for its image.
>
> I don't think anyone takes Tiobe seriously. Here is the search trend for
> "dlang", "golang", "swift ios" and "rust (programming langauge)":
>
> https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=dlang%2C%20golang%2C%20swift%20ios%2C%20%2Fm%2F0dsbpg6&cmpt=q&tz=Etc%2FGMT-1
>
>
> golang and swift are soaring, rust is gaining ground and dlang is stable.
>

Maybe it's showing different results to you, but the numbers I get are tiny. Also, picking arbitrary search terms skews the results considerably. Results using Google's categorization instead:
https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=%2Fm%2F09gbxjr%2C%20%2Fm%2F010sd4y3%2C%20%2Fm%2F0dsbpg6%2C%20%2Fm%2F01kbt7&date=1%2F2009%2085m&cmpt=q&tz=Etc%2FGMT-1

Those are still the same tiny numbers, though, so there's really not much to infer from this.

On Wednesday, 3 February 2016 at 08:23:39 UTC, Sönke Ludwig wrote:
> Maybe it's showing different results to you, but the numbers I get are tiny. Also, picking arbitrary search terms skews the results considerably.

Not really, you look at trends over time not absolutes.


> Results using Google's categorization instead:

I have found the Google classification to be wrong in the past.

So I think it is better to find a term that is unique for the language, I don't know any such term for Rust though.

Am 03.02.2016 um 09:23 schrieb Sönke Ludwig:
> Am 03.02.2016 um 08:45 schrieb Ola Fosheim Grøstad:
>> On Wednesday, 3 February 2016 at 07:06:47 UTC, cym13 wrote:
>>> It's all true, D rose up 6 positions:
>>> http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html
>>>
>>> I don't quite know what the leading factor for that change was but it
>>> sure will be great for its image.
>>
>> I don't think anyone takes Tiobe seriously. Here is the search trend for
>> "dlang", "golang", "swift ios" and "rust (programming langauge)":
>>
>> https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=dlang%2C%20golang%2C%20swift%20ios%2C%20%2Fm%2F0dsbpg6&cmpt=q&tz=Etc%2FGMT-1
>>
>>
>>
>> golang and swift are soaring, rust is gaining ground and dlang is stable.
>>
>
> Maybe it's showing different results to you, but the numbers I get are
> tiny. Also, picking arbitrary search terms skews the results
> considerably. Results using Google's categorization instead:
> https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=%2Fm%2F09gbxjr%2C%20%2Fm%2F010sd4y3%2C%20%2Fm%2F0dsbpg6%2C%20%2Fm%2F01kbt7&date=1%2F2009%2085m&cmpt=q&tz=Etc%2FGMT-1
>
>
> Those are still the same tiny numbers, though, so there's really not
> much to infer from this.

So for comparison, D (Programming Language) shows 36 searches in January 2016 in Google Trends for me, while the webmaster tools show 235 klicks on vibed.org for "vibe.d" searches in the same timeframe (12 clicks for "dlang"). So the question is what those Google Trend numbers actually show, it can't be the total amount of searches.

On Wednesday, 3 February 2016 at 08:34:47 UTC, Sönke Ludwig wrote:
> So for comparison, D (Programming Language) shows 36 searches in January 2016 in Google Trends for me, while the webmaster tools show 235 klicks on vibed.org for "vibe.d" searches in the same timeframe (12 clicks for "dlang"). So the question is what those Google Trend numbers actually show, it can't be the total amount of searches.

I believe it is percentage relative to the peak of the graph?

But the heuristics for the aggregated Google classification is very wrong, maybe they put more effort into the big languages like Java and C++? I've previously seen "java d compiler" classified as related to "d programming language".

On Wednesday, 3 February 2016 at 08:40:54 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote:
> On Wednesday, 3 February 2016 at 08:34:47 UTC, Sönke Ludwig wrote:
>> So for comparison, D (Programming Language) shows 36 searches in January 2016 in Google Trends for me, while the webmaster tools show 235 klicks on vibed.org for "vibe.d" searches in the same timeframe (12 clicks for "dlang"). So the question is what those Google Trend numbers actually show, it can't be the total amount of searches.
>
> I believe it is percentage relative to the peak of the graph?

If you hover over the question mark in the circle you get this:

«Numbers represent search interest relative to the highest point on the chart. If, at most,10% of searches for the given region and time frame were for "pizza," we'd consider this 100. This doesn't convey absolute search volume. Learn more»

Am 03.02.2016 um 09:29 schrieb Ola Fosheim Grøstad:
> On Wednesday, 3 February 2016 at 08:23:39 UTC, Sönke Ludwig wrote:
>> Maybe it's showing different results to you, but the numbers I get are
>> tiny. Also, picking arbitrary search terms skews the results
>> considerably.
>
> Not really, you look at trends over time not absolutes.
>

Okay, I see, it's just percentage of the highest value. To make any kind of qualitative judgements, it would be necessary to at least have a hint for the absolute numbers.

>
>> Results using Google's categorization instead:
>
> I have found the Google classification to be wrong in the past.

I have no doubt about that!

>
> So I think it is better to find a term that is unique for the language,
> I don't know any such term for Rust though.
>

And how do you verify that that's a better classification? If you look at the graphs of any of "D", "dlang", "D programming language", "D language", "D programming", none of them seems to correlate with events such as the date of first publication, version 1.000, version 2.000, the conferences etc.