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November 17, 2005
Re: IDE
In article <dlinri$1th4$1@digitaldaemon.com>, pragma says...
>
>In article <dlika1$1q6i$1@digitaldaemon.com>,
>=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jari-Matti_M=E4kel=E4?= says...
>>
>>pragma wrote:
>>
>>> I just had to chime in here and say that you're not alone in feeling this way
>>> about Eclipse.  I always kid with other devs by saying that I *writing* software
>>> in Eclipse is great, but then I have to close it to test my software.  Also its
>>> integration with other languages *is* pathetic and its support for things like
>>> XML is just plain awful. -- but it rocks for coding Java.
>>
>>I just looked at the coming 3.2 release - Eclipse + Java really rocks! 
>>But unfortunately we're discussing D here :(
>>
>>Running Eclipse on a decent Linux box with >1GB memory isn't that 
>>painful. Although the funniest thing is that Eclipse tries hard to lag 
>>even when writing simple text into an empty file.
>>
>>> 
>>> I think our only salvation here is in a quality product along the lines of
>>> Elephant or a redo of Eclipse using DWT or mango/SWT.
>>
>>Sad but true. In order to make the world a better place we should write 
>>all our programs from scratch using D!
>
>I love it.  We're getting closer to that all the time.  If the current crop of
>projects pans out, by this time next year, D will have a very impressive
>toolchain.  The best is truely yet to come.
>
>But to have *every last shred of code* in D, violates the 80/20 rule (maximum
>results for the minimum effort).  To that end, we shouldn't turn our backs on
>great C libs like ICU, SDL and such as long as integration isn't a real pain.
>
>- EricAnderton at yahoo


Yeah I agree, I think we are on a pretty impressive roadmap. I love the idea of
having all the core stuff in D. But you are right, I originally began porting
scintilla to D and then I realized that some components arent really worth it;
at least learned a lot about D from it. But some things really are a pain to
integrate with D, especially if you have to go from C++ to C to D. Eventually
someone will have a solid C++ -> D converter anyway and we will really take off.


I think with DDL etc we are going to wind up with some amazing functionality
with this language. I think the only thing we are really missing is some sort of
a package management system, not that its needed but it would be really slick.
November 17, 2005
Re: IDE
"John Reimer" <terminal.node@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:dlid5t$1h4q$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> Tomás Rossi wrote:
>> In article <dli2je$1111$1@digitaldaemon.com>, Dejan Lekic says...
>>
>>>
>>>The best IDE for D is most certainly excellent Elephant IDE. Freeware.
>>
>>
>> It's nice but still TOO BUGGY!
>> It'd be nice if the author opens a little more the project and join some
>> collaborators. This would rapidly increase the product quality. Tom
>
> Well maybe you guys should try the non-free IDE that isn't buggy. That's 
> usually the benefit of most good non-free software.  ;-)
Don't even get me started on the whole free-software-versus-economics thing; 
I really take no side, except to say that when free/open-source software is 
buggy/incomplete, you really have no reason to complain; go hack on it 
yourself which was what the model was intended for.  Don't get me wrong 
here- I love open source software, it makes real good analysis for 
techniques to do certain things, and I certainly don't have any objection to 
open-source software that works; I'm just saying it's more prone to beeing 
buggy conceptually.
>
> Beggers can't be choosers.  Nothing is trully free in this world.
>
> -JJR
November 17, 2005
Re: IDE
In article <dlhvcb$udp$1@digitaldaemon.com>, Tomás Rossi says...

>>http://www.zeusedit.com/forum/viewtopic.php
>
>The link doesn't work for me but this does:
>http://www.zeusedit.com

That link should have been:

http://www.zeusedit.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=141

Jussi Jumppanen
November 17, 2005
Re: IDE
In article <dlf32u$o2f$1@digitaldaemon.com>, INDIA says...
>
>Is there any Intigrated Development Enviornment for D ?
>
>
Well I have to agree about Eclipse being a great IDE - personally I don't really
have any speed problems with it except that it takes a while to start up. Since
the C/C++ toolkit allows you to specify the compiler you're using maybe you
could just use that? Somebody mentioned a D plugin - can we have a link for
that? Thanks.

However never mind Eclipse, nobody has mentioned Vim! Vim now has D syntax
installed as standard, and of course you can compile from within it and jump to
the error lines. OK, so it's not quite an IDE but integrated compilation and
editing is half of the benefit you get with an IDE. Of course Vim might not be
your cup of tea, personally I love it. http://www.vim.org/

I've never used CodeBlocks - I'll have to give it a whirl. Thanks for the
suggestion.

Hope this is helpful

Cheers

Munch

PS I should add that I've only just found out about D, d/l the compiler etc. I
haven't written even a hello world program yet!
November 17, 2005
Re: IDE
OK I found the link for CodeBlocks with D:
http://forums.codeblocks.org/index.php/topic,1273.new.html

Also, you might want to try DevC++, another free IDE, very lightweight. Only a
couple of MB to download, but again one which you specify the compiler you want
to use: http://www.bloodshed.net/devcpp.html

Cheers

Munch

In article <dlj049$2d4j$1@digitaldaemon.com>, Munch says...
>
>In article <dlf32u$o2f$1@digitaldaemon.com>, INDIA says...
>>
>>Is there any Intigrated Development Enviornment for D ?
>>
>>
>Well I have to agree about Eclipse being a great IDE - personally I don't really
>have any speed problems with it except that it takes a while to start up. Since
>the C/C++ toolkit allows you to specify the compiler you're using maybe you
>could just use that? Somebody mentioned a D plugin - can we have a link for
>that? Thanks.
>
>However never mind Eclipse, nobody has mentioned Vim! Vim now has D syntax
>installed as standard, and of course you can compile from within it and jump to
>the error lines. OK, so it's not quite an IDE but integrated compilation and
>editing is half of the benefit you get with an IDE. Of course Vim might not be
>your cup of tea, personally I love it. http://www.vim.org/
>
>I've never used CodeBlocks - I'll have to give it a whirl. Thanks for the
>suggestion.
>
>Hope this is helpful
>
>Cheers
>
>Munch
>
>PS I should add that I've only just found out about D, d/l the compiler etc. I
>haven't written even a hello world program yet!
>
>
November 17, 2005
Re: IDE
In article <dlj049$2d4j$1@digitaldaemon.com>, Munch says...

>Well I have to agree about Eclipse being a great IDE - personally I don't really
>have any speed problems with it except that it takes a while to start up. 

Me neither at home with a 1GB DDR corsair, amd64 venice 3000+, 8MB buff maxtor
diamond 7200rpm HDD and MSI mobo... if it runs slow in this baby, don't know
what else to do. But at work, 512 mb generic DDR, athlon 2600+, asus mobo 2MB
buff 7200rpm HDD: not such an ugly machine, it runs pretty slow sometimes (when
opening and closing eclipse and sometimes it just blocks for a while until it
responds (i'm talking about under a fresh WinXP installation)). In a FreeBSD 5.3
with 256MB it's a pain in the ass (not because the OS).

Tom
November 17, 2005
Re: IDE - Eclipse plugin link
OK Eclipse Plugin link here: http://www.dsource.org/projects/eclipseD/

Agreed that Eclipse is slow starting up and shutting down, and needs half a gig
of RAM to run =)

Cheers

Munch

PS yes I know I know, I should be in bed by now, but I just couldn't help but go
looking for the link myself =)

In article <dlj1gn$2e4q$1@digitaldaemon.com>, Munch says...
>
>OK I found the link for CodeBlocks with D:
>http://forums.codeblocks.org/index.php/topic,1273.new.html
>
>Also, you might want to try DevC++, another free IDE, very lightweight. Only a
>couple of MB to download, but again one which you specify the compiler you want
>to use: http://www.bloodshed.net/devcpp.html
>
>Cheers
>
>Munch
>
>In article <dlj049$2d4j$1@digitaldaemon.com>, Munch says...
>>
>>In article <dlf32u$o2f$1@digitaldaemon.com>, INDIA says...
>>>
>>>Is there any Intigrated Development Enviornment for D ?
>>>
>>>
>>Well I have to agree about Eclipse being a great IDE - personally I don't really
>>have any speed problems with it except that it takes a while to start up. Since
>>the C/C++ toolkit allows you to specify the compiler you're using maybe you
>>could just use that? Somebody mentioned a D plugin - can we have a link for
>>that? Thanks.
>>
>>However never mind Eclipse, nobody has mentioned Vim! Vim now has D syntax
>>installed as standard, and of course you can compile from within it and jump to
>>the error lines. OK, so it's not quite an IDE but integrated compilation and
>>editing is half of the benefit you get with an IDE. Of course Vim might not be
>>your cup of tea, personally I love it. http://www.vim.org/
>>
>>I've never used CodeBlocks - I'll have to give it a whirl. Thanks for the
>>suggestion.
>>
>>Hope this is helpful
>>
>>Cheers
>>
>>Munch
>>
>>PS I should add that I've only just found out about D, d/l the compiler etc. I
>>haven't written even a hello world program yet!
>>
>>
>
>
November 17, 2005
Re: IDE
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:03:57 -0800, John Reimer wrote:


> Well maybe you guys should try the non-free IDE that isn't buggy. 
> That's usually the benefit of most good non-free software.  ;-)
> 
> Beggers can't be choosers.  Nothing is trully free in this world.

I can think of at least one exception ;-)

-- 
Derek Parnell
(skype: derek.j.parnell)
Melbourne, Australia
Download BUILD from ...
http://www.dsource.org/projects/build/ v2.09 released 10/Aug/2005
18/11/2005 10:57:57 AM
November 18, 2005
Re: IDE - Eclipse plugin link
Munch wrote:
> OK Eclipse Plugin link here: http://www.dsource.org/projects/eclipseD/
> 
> Agreed that Eclipse is slow starting up and shutting down, and needs half a gig
> of RAM to run =)
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Munch
> 
> PS yes I know I know, I should be in bed by now, but I just couldn't help but go
> looking for the link myself =)

That eclipse plugin is no longer the "preferred" d plugin for Eclipse. 
There's also one called "Blackbird" that is much better (ie not buggy). 
 I don't know the link, but you should be able to find references to it 
and its download link in the D.announce newsgroup.

-JJR
November 18, 2005
Re: IDE - Eclipse plugin link
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 10:17:47 +1000, John Reimer <terminal.node@gmail.com>  
wrote:

> Munch wrote:
>> OK Eclipse Plugin link here: http://www.dsource.org/projects/eclipseD/
>>  Agreed that Eclipse is slow starting up and shutting down, and needs  
>> half a gig
>> of RAM to run =)
>>  Cheers
>>  Munch
>>  PS yes I know I know, I should be in bed by now, but I just couldn't  
>> help but go
>> looking for the link myself =)
>
> That eclipse plugin is no longer the "preferred" d plugin for Eclipse.  
> There's also one called "Blackbird" that is much better (ie not buggy).  
>   I don't know the link, but you should be able to find references to it  
> and its download link in the D.announce newsgroup.
>
> -JJR

The development of Blackbird is stopped.
All of it features and much more will be available in new D Development  
Tools (DDT) plugin. You can check-out it from eclipseD repository.

Currently DDT is in (early?) beta stage.
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