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November 18, 2005
Re: IDE - Eclipse plugin link
Ilya Zaitseff wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 10:17:47 +1000, John Reimer 
> <terminal.node@gmail.com>  wrote:
> 
>> Munch wrote:
>>
>>> OK Eclipse Plugin link here: http://www.dsource.org/projects/eclipseD/
>>>  Agreed that Eclipse is slow starting up and shutting down, and 
>>> needs  half a gig
>>> of RAM to run =)
>>>  Cheers
>>>  Munch
>>>  PS yes I know I know, I should be in bed by now, but I just 
>>> couldn't  help but go
>>> looking for the link myself =)
>>
>>
>> That eclipse plugin is no longer the "preferred" d plugin for 
>> Eclipse.  There's also one called "Blackbird" that is much better (ie 
>> not buggy).    I don't know the link, but you should be able to find 
>> references to it  and its download link in the D.announce newsgroup.
>>
>> -JJR
> 
> 
> The development of Blackbird is stopped.
> All of it features and much more will be available in new D Development  
> Tools (DDT) plugin. You can check-out it from eclipseD repository.
> 
> Currently DDT is in (early?) beta stage.

Ah... my mistake. Thanks for the update.  So you took over eclipseD at 
dsource.org?  I'm glad to see Blackbird has been merged into that 
project then.  Maybe it would be best to rename that project to DDT to 
differentiate the projects?

-JJR
November 18, 2005
Re: IDE - Eclipse plugin link
Ilya Zaitseff wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 10:17:47 +1000, John Reimer 
> <terminal.node@gmail.com>  wrote:
> 
>> Munch wrote:
>>
>>> OK Eclipse Plugin link here: http://www.dsource.org/projects/eclipseD/
>>>  Agreed that Eclipse is slow starting up and shutting down, and 
>>> needs  half a gig
>>> of RAM to run =)
>>>  Cheers
>>>  Munch
>>>  PS yes I know I know, I should be in bed by now, but I just 
>>> couldn't  help but go
>>> looking for the link myself =)
>>
>>
>> That eclipse plugin is no longer the "preferred" d plugin for 
>> Eclipse.  There's also one called "Blackbird" that is much better (ie 
>> not buggy).    I don't know the link, but you should be able to find 
>> references to it  and its download link in the D.announce newsgroup.
>>
>> -JJR
> 
> 
> The development of Blackbird is stopped.
> All of it features and much more will be available in new D Development  
> Tools (DDT) plugin. You can check-out it from eclipseD repository.
> 
> Currently DDT is in (early?) beta stage.

There are no instruction for how to install DDT.  Have you included a 
zip file anywhere that we can extract to the eclipse plugin directory?

Thanks.

-JJR
November 18, 2005
Re: IDE - Eclipse plugin link
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 10:52:46 +1000, John Reimer <terminal.node@gmail.com>  
wrote:

> Ilya Zaitseff wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 10:17:47 +1000, John Reimer  
>> <terminal.node@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> Munch wrote:
>>>
>>>> OK Eclipse Plugin link here: http://www.dsource.org/projects/eclipseD/
>>>>  Agreed that Eclipse is slow starting up and shutting down, and  
>>>> needs  half a gig
>>>> of RAM to run =)
>>>>  Cheers
>>>>  Munch
>>>>  PS yes I know I know, I should be in bed by now, but I just  
>>>> couldn't  help but go
>>>> looking for the link myself =)
>>>
>>>
>>> That eclipse plugin is no longer the "preferred" d plugin for  
>>> Eclipse.  There's also one called "Blackbird" that is much better (ie  
>>> not buggy).    I don't know the link, but you should be able to find  
>>> references to it  and its download link in the D.announce newsgroup.
>>>
>>> -JJR
>>   The development of Blackbird is stopped.
>> All of it features and much more will be available in new D  
>> Development  Tools (DDT) plugin. You can check-out it from eclipseD  
>> repository.
>>  Currently DDT is in (early?) beta stage.
>
> Ah... my mistake. Thanks for the update.  So you took over eclipseD at  
> dsource.org?

Actually, they coexists :)

I'm glad to see Blackbird has been merged into that
> project then.  Maybe it would be best to rename that project to DDT to  
> differentiate the projects?
>
> -JJR

Maybe. But DDT is not my project, I just take part in it.
BTW, everyone interested can join the project.
November 18, 2005
Re: IDE - Eclipse plugin link
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:30:44 +1000, John Reimer <terminal.node@gmail.com>  
wrote:

> Ilya Zaitseff wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 10:17:47 +1000, John Reimer  
>> <terminal.node@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> Munch wrote:
>>>
>>>> OK Eclipse Plugin link here: http://www.dsource.org/projects/eclipseD/
>>>>  Agreed that Eclipse is slow starting up and shutting down, and  
>>>> needs  half a gig
>>>> of RAM to run =)
>>>>  Cheers
>>>>  Munch
>>>>  PS yes I know I know, I should be in bed by now, but I just  
>>>> couldn't  help but go
>>>> looking for the link myself =)
>>>
>>>
>>> That eclipse plugin is no longer the "preferred" d plugin for  
>>> Eclipse.  There's also one called "Blackbird" that is much better (ie  
>>> not buggy).    I don't know the link, but you should be able to find  
>>> references to it  and its download link in the D.announce newsgroup.
>>>
>>> -JJR
>>   The development of Blackbird is stopped.
>> All of it features and much more will be available in new D  
>> Development  Tools (DDT) plugin. You can check-out it from eclipseD  
>> repository.
>>  Currently DDT is in (early?) beta stage.
>
> There are no instruction for how to install DDT.  Have you included a  
> zip file anywhere that we can extract to the eclipse plugin directory?
>
> Thanks.
>
> -JJR

You can try to install it from eclipse's "find & install" feature - update  
address is http://svn.dsource.org/projects/eclipseD/trunk/ddt.updates/
But I dont think it is usable in current state.
November 18, 2005
Re: IDE
I must be performing black magic since I'm using Elephant to manage a 
200+ source file project and it doesn't seem too buggy / useless.


Mike wrote:
> Yeah its kind of useless in its current form. 
> 
> In article <dli6g1$14bf$1@digitaldaemon.com>, Tomás Rossi says...
> 
>>In article <dli2je$1111$1@digitaldaemon.com>, Dejan Lekic says...
>>
>>>
>>>The best IDE for D is most certainly excellent Elephant IDE. Freeware.
>>
>>It's nice but still TOO BUGGY!
>>It'd be nice if the author opens a little more the project and join some
>>collaborators. This would rapidly increase the product quality. 


-- 
Tomasz Stachowiak a.k.a. h3r3tic
November 18, 2005
Re: IDE
In article <dlk91t$qrk$1@digitaldaemon.com>, Tom S says...
>
>I must be performing black magic since I'm using Elephant to manage a 
>200+ source file project and it doesn't seem too buggy / useless.

Maybe it's usable but VERY BUGGY, you can't deny that fact.
For example, sometimes it doesn't save the global settings (i.e. compiler path,
etc.). Some X buttons (exit/close) doesn't work. Moreover it currently creates a
default edit instance of a file called 'Elepha1' that wouldn't close when asked.
This kind of (very basic) bugs are from which Elephant suffers yet.
Oh, I almost forgot it also closed abruptly with an ugly error a few days ago!
:D

Doesn't seems too buggy? That's black magic for sure!



Tom
November 18, 2005
Re: IDE
Tomás Rossi wrote:
> In article <dlk91t$qrk$1@digitaldaemon.com>, Tom S says...
> 
>>I must be performing black magic since I'm using Elephant to manage a 
>>200+ source file project and it doesn't seem too buggy / useless.
> 
> 
> Maybe it's usable but VERY BUGGY, you can't deny that fact.
> For example, sometimes it doesn't save the global settings (i.e. compiler path,
> etc.). Some X buttons (exit/close) doesn't work. Moreover it currently creates a
> default edit instance of a file called 'Elepha1' that wouldn't close when asked.
> This kind of (very basic) bugs are from which Elephant suffers yet.
> Oh, I almost forgot it also closed abruptly with an ugly error a few days ago!
> :D
> 
> Doesn't seems too buggy? That's black magic for sure!
> 
> 
> 
> Tom

At least it works better than DIDE :)
November 18, 2005
Re: IDE
In article <dlklur$16kg$2@digitaldaemon.com>,
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jari-Matti_M=E4kel=E4?= says...
>
>Tomás Rossi wrote:
>> In article <dlk91t$qrk$1@digitaldaemon.com>, Tom S says...
>> 
>>>I must be performing black magic since I'm using Elephant to manage a 
>>>200+ source file project and it doesn't seem too buggy / useless.
>> 
>> 
>> Maybe it's usable but VERY BUGGY, you can't deny that fact.
>> For example, sometimes it doesn't save the global settings (i.e. compiler path,
>> etc.). Some X buttons (exit/close) doesn't work. Moreover it currently creates a
>> default edit instance of a file called 'Elepha1' that wouldn't close when asked.
>> This kind of (very basic) bugs are from which Elephant suffers yet.
>> Oh, I almost forgot it also closed abruptly with an ugly error a few days ago!
>> :D
>> 
>> Doesn't seems too buggy? That's black magic for sure!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Tom
>
>At least it works better than DIDE :)

Couldn't tell since I haven't tested it, but now I think I'll not test it at all
:D 

Tom
November 21, 2005
Re: IDE
Jari-Matti Mäkelä wrote:
> Tomás Rossi wrote:
> 
>> In article <dlk91t$qrk$1@digitaldaemon.com>, Tom S says...
>>
>>> I must be performing black magic since I'm using Elephant to manage a 
>>> 200+ source file project and it doesn't seem too buggy / useless.
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe it's usable but VERY BUGGY, you can't deny that fact.
>> For example, sometimes it doesn't save the global settings (i.e. 
>> compiler path,
>> etc.). Some X buttons (exit/close) doesn't work. Moreover it currently 
>> creates a
>> default edit instance of a file called 'Elepha1' that wouldn't close 
>> when asked.
>> This kind of (very basic) bugs are from which Elephant suffers yet.
>> Oh, I almost forgot it also closed abruptly with an ugly error a few 
>> days ago!
>> :D
>>
>> Doesn't seems too buggy? That's black magic for sure!
>>
>>
>>
>> Tom
> 
> 
> At least it works better than DIDE :)


At least works better than KDevelop :P
// in my experience, this is _THE_ unstable program


-- 
Tomasz Stachowiak a.k.a. h3r3tic
November 22, 2005
Re: IDE
Tom S wrote:
> Jari-Matti Mäkelä wrote:
>> Tomás Rossi wrote:
>>> In article <dlk91t$qrk$1@digitaldaemon.com>, Tom S says...
>>>
>>>> I must be performing black magic since I'm using Elephant to
>>>> manage a 200+ source file project and it doesn't seem too buggy
>>>> / useless.
>>>
>>> Maybe it's usable but VERY BUGGY, you can't deny that fact.
>>>
>>> Doesn't seems too buggy? That's black magic for sure!
>>>
>> At least it works better than DIDE :)
> 
> At least works better than KDevelop :P
> // in my experience, this is _THE_ unstable program

I've been tempted to start pushing D to the K guys for a long time.

It's just amazing how unstable most of the K stuff is. And I just can't 
help feeling it's all because of C (or C++).
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