Jari-Matti Mäkelä wrote:
> Justin C Calvarese wrote:
>> Tydr Schnubbis wrote:
>> ...
>>>> http://hcoop.net/~natamas/d/template.html (improvements pending)
>>> Somehow I think this one looks a lot better.  It was posted in another thread:
>>>
>>> http://img114.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mockup5ey.jpg
>>>
>>> It's simpler and I like the colors better.
>> I think they each have different strengths and perhaps weaknesses.
>>
>> What kind of HTML does it take to look like for "mockup5ey.jpg"?
>>
>> (Nick started off which a graphic file, too, but he eventually shared
>> the actual HTML/CSS with us.)
>>
> 
> I think it's pretty easy to support both layouts with css-stylesheets. The blueish background looks a bit dirty in mockup5ey, but I guess it's a transparent png rendered with IE6.
It's not IE6. That is a JPEG straight out of Photoshop; you can tell by the font AA.

> The template by nick looks
> promising. It's a bit dark, but it has a clean, official look'n'feel.
Thank you. I keep promising a lighter variant, but my #1 priority is making a MoinMoin theme.


> Firefox/Opera and others also support alternative stylesheets. If the user doesn't know how to switch between them, a cookie-based approach can be used. The biggest problem would be to make the html structure flexible enough to support different layouts. It's always a tradeoff between code complexity, rendering speed, bandwidth usage and overall 'coolness'. I would personally prefer a 'simple' layout without huge images, tables and detailed background textures.
Yeah, I already have 2 alternatives: fixed layout and flexible layout. The fixed layout gives you are true zoom, while the flexible layout conforms to a browser window.


> I'm still absolutely positive of the fact that web page layout matters. I tried to convert few friends of mine from Pascal and C/C++ to D in 2003. They were frightened by the terrible looking index page of digitalmars. Now that digitalmars uses stylesheets and we have that unofficial language wiki (http://www.quit-clan.de/docwiki/) it has been much easier to introduce D to several enthusiastic persons. Prowiki is highly functional, but it doesn't look as modern as mediawiki or trac.
I'm with you on that one.

Brad Anderson wrote:
> nick wrote:
>> Jarrett Billingsley wrote:
>>> "nick" <nick.atamas@gmail.com> wrote in message news:e3jc1v$1cm6$1@digitaldaemon.com...
>>>> - desirable bonus: wiki should automatically highlight D code or provide plugins such that a code highlighter may be written.
>>> PmWiki, which the DMedia site uses, does just that.  I'm not too knowledgeable with wikis, but it seems really well done.  Also, looking at the outputted HTML, it seems to use stylesheets and such, looks like modern HTML.
>> MoinMoin has come with high recommendations. There are already modules for highlighting Java code. Furthermore, D is easy to parse, so it should be quite easy to write a code highlighting module.
>>
>> Another good thing about MoinMoin is that Python code is much more maintainable than PHP or Perl (MoinMoin uses Python).
> 
> Trac, used at http://www.dsource.org, has a MoinMoin wiki processor, and we have a D syntax highlighting wiki macro written by JCC7.  It's not as nice as MediaWiki from the standpoint of separating discussion and content into two separate areas of the wiki page, but it's still fairly functional.
> 
> BA

A D-highlighting module? Sounds fantastic!

You refer to MoinMoin as "fairly functional".
Do you think MediaWiki is a better option?

nick wrote:
> Justin C Calvarese wrote:
>> Walter Bright wrote:
> 
>>> It's a good idea, and it's ok with me if it's ok with Justin.
> 
>> The content of is Wiki4D licensed under the Free Document License
>> (http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?FreeDocumentationLicense): "In
>> short: you may use, copy and change them, but the origin and your
>> changes must be transparent and you must keep their FDL status. All the
>> details should be taken from the original document made available by the
>> GNU organisation...".
> 
> Fantastic; that's a green light for copying the content.
> 
> 

Hum, actually this could be a good opportunity to do the Wiki "Garbage Collection" I mentioned. Or maybe a selective copy, instead of copying it all, if it is at all possible.


-- 
Bruno Medeiros - CS/E student
http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?BrunoMedeiros#D

nick wrote:
> I have set up a temporary MoinMoin install on my Powerbook while I'm
> creating the D Theme for it (html template available here:
> www.hcoop.net/~natamas/d/template.html).

It's looking pretty good now. One nit, though, are the tabs along the top. They look a bit flat?

Walter Bright wrote:
> nick wrote:
>> I have set up a temporary MoinMoin install on my Powerbook while I'm creating the D Theme for it (html template available here: www.hcoop.net/~natamas/d/template.html).
> 
> It's looking pretty good now. One nit, though, are the tabs along the top. They look a bit flat?

Would you prefer a highlight to make them look like they are just slightly raised?

nick wrote:
> Walter Bright wrote:
>> nick wrote:
>>> I have set up a temporary MoinMoin install on my Powerbook while I'm
>>> creating the D Theme for it (html template available here:
>>> www.hcoop.net/~natamas/d/template.html).
>> It's looking pretty good now. One nit, though, are the tabs along the
>> top. They look a bit flat?
> 
> Would you prefer a highlight to make them look like they are just
> slightly raised?

I'm not much of an artist, but they need a little more something!

Walter Bright wrote:
> nick wrote:
>> Walter Bright wrote:
>>> nick wrote:
>>>> I have set up a temporary MoinMoin install on my Powerbook while I'm
>>>> creating the D Theme for it (html template available here:
>>>> www.hcoop.net/~natamas/d/template.html).
>>> It's looking pretty good now. One nit, though, are the tabs along the
>>> top. They look a bit flat?
>>
>> Would you prefer a highlight to make them look like they are just
>> slightly raised?
> 
> I'm not much of an artist, but they need a little more something!


Strange... I like flat and simple... it must be preference thing.

-JJR

On Sun, 07 May 2006 20:58:31 -0700, John Reimer wrote:

> Walter Bright wrote:
>> nick wrote:
>>> Walter Bright wrote:
>>>> nick wrote:
>>>>> I have set up a temporary MoinMoin install on my Powerbook while I'm creating the D Theme for it (html template available here: www.hcoop.net/~natamas/d/template.html).
>>>> It's looking pretty good now. One nit, though, are the tabs along the top. They look a bit flat?
>>>
>>> Would you prefer a highlight to make them look like they are just slightly raised?
>> 
>> I'm not much of an artist, but they need a little more something!
> 
> Strange... I like flat and simple... it must be preference thing.

Not so strange ... I too like the flat tab look.

To my POV, if you have more 3-d looking tabs here, it is just eye candy. It does nothing to aid visual distinction. It might even be seen as a distraction because the rest of the view port is flat. It's not that it would look bad, but just not necessary (in the philosophical sense). In other words, pretty, but why bother?

-- 
Derek
(skype: derek.j.parnell)
Melbourne, Australia
"Down with mediocracy!"
8/05/2006 2:19:46 PM

Bruno Medeiros wrote:
> nick wrote:
>> Justin C Calvarese wrote:
>>> Walter Bright wrote:
>>
>>>> It's a good idea, and it's ok with me if it's ok with Justin.
>>
>>> The content of is Wiki4D licensed under the Free Document License
>>> (http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?FreeDocumentationLicense): "In
>>> short: you may use, copy and change them, but the origin and your
>>> changes must be transparent and you must keep their FDL status. All the
>>> details should be taken from the original document made available by the
>>> GNU organisation...".
>>
>> Fantastic; that's a green light for copying the content.
>>
>>
> 
> Hum, actually this could be a good opportunity to do the Wiki "Garbage Collection" I mentioned. Or maybe a selective copy, instead of copying it all, if it is at all possible.

I assume you're referring to this proposal:
http://www.digitalmars.com/drn-bin/wwwnews?digitalmars.D/37414

Since a key part of Nick's proposal is to change the wiki software, I think "selective copy" makes more sense than radical "garbage collection". And since one of the typical complaints about Wiki4D is stale content, I don't think that copying it all would be the best idea.

So I think "selective copy" would be the way to go.

-- 
jcc7

Georg Wrede wrote:
> Walter Bright wrote:
> 
...snip...
> (
> 
> Case in point: the favicon.ico file on digitalmars.com looks just... eh, well, like a case in point.
> 
> Why not take the red graphic from the Digital Mars logo, and resize it to fit the favicon.ico?
> 
> )

I agree that a more appropriate icon could help. I suggest using the attached icon instead (which I created) or something similar.

-- 
jcc7