On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 07:31:04 UTC, Don wrote:
> Actually not. I'm just opposed to any work on them right now. The point is that all of those things are COMPLETELY WORTHLESS if the IDE crashes. It's not just "a bug". It's an absolute showstopper, and I'm begging the community to do something about it.
> Fix the crashes, and then we can talk.

What IDEs are crashing for you?

Visual Studio constantly crashes for me at work, and I can imagine MonoDevelop and Eclipse being similar, but simpler editors like Sublime Text, TextMate, vim, emacs etc. shouldn't crash. I've been using Sublime Text for years now and I don't think it has ever crashed.

On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 08:16:56 UTC, Peter Alexander wrote:
> Visual Studio constantly crashes for me at work, and I can imagine MonoDevelop and Eclipse being similar, but simpler editors like Sublime Text, TextMate, vim, emacs etc. shouldn't crash. I've been using Sublime Text for years now and I don't think it has ever crashed.

I am quite surprised to hear this is an issue at all btw. Neither Mono-D nor Eclipse DDT have never crashed for me on my smallish sources. And I just can't imagine D syntax highlighting crashing vim or emacs :)

Mono-D has had update issues thanks to MonoDevelop upstream but that is somewhat different story.

On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 08:25:19 UTC, Dicebot wrote:
> On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 08:16:56 UTC, Peter Alexander wrote:
>> Visual Studio constantly crashes for me at work, and I can imagine MonoDevelop and Eclipse being similar, but simpler editors like Sublime Text, TextMate, vim, emacs etc. shouldn't crash. I've been using Sublime Text for years now and I don't think it has ever crashed.
>
> I am quite surprised to hear this is an issue at all btw. Neither Mono-D nor Eclipse DDT have never crashed for me on my smallish sources. And I just can't imagine D syntax highlighting crashing vim or emacs :)
>
> Mono-D has had update issues thanks to MonoDevelop upstream but that is somewhat different story.

Mono-D and Eclipse DDT both have major problems with long pauses while typing (eg 15 seconds unresponsive) and crashes. Both of them even have "modules of death" where just viewing the file will cause a crash. If you're unlucky enough to get one of those open in your default workspace file, the IDE will crash at startup...

On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 09:06:00 UTC, Don wrote:
> Mono-D and Eclipse DDT both have major problems with long pauses while typing (eg 15 seconds unresponsive) and crashes. Both of them even have "modules of death" where just viewing the file will cause a crash. If you're unlucky enough to get one of those open in your default workspace file, the IDE will crash at startup...

That doesn't surprise me.

I really do highly recommend Sublime Text. It was created by a former game dev, and he really, really cares about performance. I've opened binary files in it that are hundreds of megs and it doesn't even flinch. Just loads it up, and then you can scroll through it or jump around at full speed with no pauses or momentary glitches. I can't recommend it highly enough.

http://www.sublimetext.com/

On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 08:25:19 UTC, Dicebot wrote:
> And I just can't imagine D syntax highlighting crashing vim or emacs :)

The syntax highlighting has actually bogged down vim for me in the past. I had a file with a large array in it (hundreds of lines), and scrolling over those lines caused vim to stutter at about 1fps.

On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 08:31:03 +0100, Don <turnyourkidsintocash@nospam.com> wrote:

> On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 06:58:22 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
>> On 2013-06-11 14:33, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>>> Reddit:
>>> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1g47df/dconf_2013_metaprogramming_in_the_real_world_by/
>>>
>>>
>>> Hackernews: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5861237
>>>
>>> Twitter: https://twitter.com/D_Programming/status/344431490257526785
>>>
>>> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dlang.org/posts/655271701153181
>>>
>>> Youtube: http://youtube.com/watch?v=pmwKRYrfEyY
>>>
>>> Please drive discussions on the social channels, they help D a lot.
>>
>> I really don't understand the problem with IDE. He mentions that he's not interested in any autocompletion, refactoring or anything like that.
>
> Actually not. I'm just opposed to any work on them right now. The point is that all of those things are COMPLETELY WORTHLESS if the IDE crashes. It's not just "a bug". It's an absolute showstopper, and I'm begging the community to do something about it.
> Fix the crashes, and then we can talk.

I use Notepad++ now and have used TextPad in the past.  But, those are just text editors with syntax highlighting (fairly flexibly and simply customisable highlighting BTW).

What are the basic features you would require of a development environment, I am thinking of features which go beyond the basic concept of a text editor, such as:

- The concept of a 'project' or some other collection of source files which can be loaded/displayed in some fashion to make it easier to find/select/edit individual files

- The ability to hook in 'tools' to key presses like "compile" executing "dmd ..." or similar.

...

R

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On 2013-06-13 09:31, Don wrote:

> Actually not. I'm just opposed to any work on them right now. The point
> is that all of those things are COMPLETELY WORTHLESS if the IDE crashes.
> It's not just "a bug". It's an absolute showstopper, and I'm begging the
> community to do something about it.
> Fix the crashes, and then we can talk.

We have no chance of fixing anything if you don't tell us which IDE's are crashing.

Have you used Sublime, does that crash?

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg

On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 07:31:04 UTC, Don wrote:
> Actually not. I'm just opposed to any work on them right now. The point is that all of those things are COMPLETELY WORTHLESS if the IDE crashes. It's not just "a bug". It's an absolute showstopper, and I'm begging the community to do something about it.
> Fix the crashes, and then we can talk.

Link to bug reports?

On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 12:33:03 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1g47df/dconf_2013_metaprogramming_in_the_real_world_by/
>
> Hackernews: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5861237
>
> Twitter: https://twitter.com/D_Programming/status/344431490257526785
>
> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dlang.org/posts/655271701153181
>
> Youtube: http://youtube.com/watch?v=pmwKRYrfEyY
>
> Please drive discussions on the social channels, they help D a lot.
>
>
> Andrei

Awesome talk, really inspiring. Great to see a D a success in commercial environment. I would love to make a switch to D already (from C++), learning it now, following all the updates and waiting for ARM support. Can't wait! I mean it, I actually miss not being able to switch now :P

On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 09:06:00 UTC, Don wrote:
> Mono-D and Eclipse DDT both have major problems with long pauses while typing (eg 15 seconds unresponsive) and crashes. Both of them even have "modules of death" where just viewing the file will cause a crash. If you're unlucky enough to get one of those open in your default workspace file, the IDE will crash at startup...

https://github.com/aBothe/Mono-D/issues?state=open ;)

It does sound like a serious problem but I can hardly expect IDE maintainers to fix such stuff without having a bug reports.