Is there really any other language than D that can replace C++ and Rust?

Go is good, but very tedious to write.
Zig, Odin, Beef, V and Jai are not production ready (according to the creators themselves).

C# is the only thing is see that could be a serious alternative. Forget about Java, Kotlin or whatever.

But other than C#, are there really any serious alternatives?

I don't think Rust is the answer, for many reasons.

Well, maybe Nim would actually be a serious alternative, however, I'm kinda used to the C-style.

Any feedback?

On Sunday, 26 November 2023 at 17:52:24 UTC, Imperatorn wrote:

What's wrong with native kotlin?

It depends on what exactly you want to replace, and how large free computing resources you have to run JIT or incremental compilation into memory in runtime.

As an example, Julia was noted as a thing able to use compile&run model, with lot of code optimizations via LLVM.

Or maybe it can be not a language, but a large kit of top-level components for fast building of DSL compilers (something like metacompiler that provides a special language and tools for making arbitrary compilers).

On Sunday, 26 November 2023 at 17:52:24 UTC, Imperatorn wrote:

I'm in the same boat as you. I have tried several languages besides C++ and D but have been anything I digested with please. C++ is on its last legs now as I see it (it will not go away because of the huge code base but new projects I should certainly check out other languages and you should too) and D it is almost the only escape route right now.

This is why it is sometimes to painful to read this forum because D is a nice language but needs to be continued and adapted, memory management is one of them for example.

I've tried Nim but it is not better than D. Meta programming with Nim is more difficult and annoying than meta programming in C++. The syntax is tedious when you get into some serious programming.

There is one programming language that I like and that is Swift. Meta programming doesn't exist and generics isn't fully supported yet. In general though I like the language, it is what Rust should have been. The problem Swift is developed by Apple for Apple which means that other platforms are a bit behind. Also the performance isn't there yet, it is usually behind C++, Rust, D, Nim etc.

On Sunday, 26 November 2023 at 20:47:50 UTC, IGotD- wrote:

They have macros now as preview, but they are definitely coming.

On Sunday, 26 November 2023 at 18:23:13 UTC, Daniel N wrote:

I will take a look at native Kotlin. But C# already have native too. Thanks for the tip though.

On Sunday, 26 November 2023 at 18:23:13 UTC, Daniel N wrote:

It's in hybrid pascal family.

fun <T> Sequence<T>.chunked(size: Int): Sequence<List<T>>

Is Sequence its approach to slices?

On Sunday, 26 November 2023 at 17:52:24 UTC, Imperatorn wrote:

A D developer/supporter, when having discussions about Rust, Zig, Odin, Go, etc... are going to include D in the conversation as well.

Sadly, a developer of the other said languages are unlikely to include D in theirs.

To me - this is the reality.

It is probably strong words to suggest that the D language has an identity crisis - but I don't think many people include D in the discussion of these languages because it is hard to tell :-

Is it a competitor of C++ ?
Is it a competitor of C# ?
Oh.. is is a competitor of Rust ?

D can support so many ways to solve a problem. I believe the impression people have is that it is always trying to move the goal posts. What is the target audience, here?

I am at an age now where I cannot be bothered to learn a new language. Maybe I just have "learning new language fatigue" - if that is a thing. Apparently Rust has a bit of a learning curve. I looked at Zig and just lost interest. This is why I liked D in the first place. Originally, I viewed it as "C with C# features"

I have, however, played with Odin and I do like it. I am seriously thinking of using it if I build a game in future. Odin goals are laid out plain and simple - what it will be and what it wont. Very straight forward. I think Jai will be similar.

Just my thoughts. Dlang, I think, goes in the same category as C#... until further notice.