October 13, 2009
Yigal Chripun wrote:
> regarding working on a remote machine:
> you can mount a remote file system through ssh and work localy on that remoted filesystem.

I do that sometimes, but it's a problem when trying to run the compiler/debugger, as they need to run on the remote machine, not just locally <g>.

Also, mounting a remote filesystem fails on Windows. I know, that really sux. At least putty works.

(10 years ago, I wired up every room in the house with two RG6 cables and two Cat5 cables while it was under construction. Did it myself because the electrical contractor had no idea how to handle high frequency wires, I had to rip all his stuff out and do it over. I had no use for it at the time. I'm sure glad now it was done, everything I have seems to want to plug in to it! Anyhow, I have several machines with different OSs on them on the lan, and ssh to run them from a central location.)
October 13, 2009
Bill Baxter wrote:
> That could be true, but you said the thing that prompted this idea was
> enterprise-y customers looking for an enterprise-y IDE.  Vim ain't on
> that roster.

This thread makes it fairly clear that this idea won't fill the bill for a full featured IDE. But I think supporting a lightweight one is still getting us closer.
October 13, 2009
On 13/10/2009 01:55, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:20:01AM +0200, Yigal Chripun wrote:
>> regarding working on a remote machine:
>> you can mount a remote file system through ssh and work localy on that
>> remoted filesystem.
>
> Eh, sshfs leaves a lot to be desired. There is a noticeable lag when
> performing basic operations on it - it really kills the flow when doing
> a rapid edit/compile loop.
>
> It sounds cool on paper, but in practice is rather disappointing.
>
that's a quality of implementation issue. eclipse caches the files locally and keeps things synced. this removes any lag while editing the file.

I use this at work and it's quite good.
October 13, 2009
On 13/10/2009 07:07, Walter Bright wrote:
> Yigal Chripun wrote:
>> regarding working on a remote machine:
>> you can mount a remote file system through ssh and work localy on that
>> remoted filesystem.
>
> I do that sometimes, but it's a problem when trying to run the
> compiler/debugger, as they need to run on the remote machine, not just
> locally <g>.

Eclipse has integration for that. it can execute remote commands and has remote debugging - the local eclipse debugger UI speaks with a remote gdb session. and if you really prefer command-line, you can always use the terminal view.
>
> Also, mounting a remote filesystem fails on Windows. I know, that really
> sux. At least putty works.

this requires a 3rd party tool on windows. iirc, WebDrive is free, and for 30$ you can get sftpDrive.

>
> (10 years ago, I wired up every room in the house with two RG6 cables
> and two Cat5 cables while it was under construction. Did it myself
> because the electrical contractor had no idea how to handle high
> frequency wires, I had to rip all his stuff out and do it over. I had no
> use for it at the time. I'm sure glad now it was done, everything I have
> seems to want to plug in to it! Anyhow, I have several machines with
> different OSs on them on the lan, and ssh to run them from a central
> location.)

October 13, 2009
Walter Bright wrote:
> Bill Baxter wrote:
>> That could be true, but you said the thing that prompted this idea was
>> enterprise-y customers looking for an enterprise-y IDE.  Vim ain't on
>> that roster.
> 
> This thread makes it fairly clear that this idea won't fill the bill for a full featured IDE. But I think supporting a lightweight one is still getting us closer.

I completely agree, nobody will code a monster IDE like Eclipse or Visual Studio dedicated to D anytime soon.

I have only respect for Descent, I use it on linux and it is really great. But Eclipse is killing me, there is no reason for an IDE to be that heavy, slow and unresponsive. How come a database server can pull off any data query from a multi-gigabyte database on disk in half a millisecond yet Eclipse can't seem to feel responsive when working with less than a hundred megabytes in system memory. (On that note, D needs a b-tree module among others :x)

I really feel we need a dedicated D IDE to promote the language, and such an IDE needs to start somewhere, most only do syntax highlighting so far, which is trivial to implement. A compiler interface to at least get semantics information from the source files is therefore a *big* plus in that direction.

XML output can also be used in so many different ways, for documentation, bindings, analysis and more. And JSON output can be used directly from any language with a very lightweight parser.

Besides, this doesn't mean Walter is going to put everything on hold to implement this feature, I think he only wanted to get feedback on an idea he had so when he gets time to implement it, he knows what the community wants.

Jeremie
October 13, 2009
language_fan wrote:
> "Practical" languages
> have lots of boiler-plate, and I can easily generate hundreds of lines of code with a couple of key combinations or mouse clicks.

Can you give some examples? I can only think of some that generate some lines of code, not hundreds.
October 13, 2009
Walter Bright Wrote:

> What do you think?

moving ddoc to xml will also fix bug 2060
October 13, 2009
Ary Borenszweig wrote:

> language_fan wrote:
>  > "Practical" languages
>> have lots of boiler-plate, and I can easily generate hundreds of lines of code with a couple of key combinations or mouse clicks.
> 
> Can you give some examples? I can only think of some that generate some lines of code, not hundreds.

linq-to-sql
October 13, 2009
Nick Sabalausky wrote:
> Video game developers don't make multiplayer games by sending a compressed video stream of the fully-rendered frame - they know that would be unusable. Instead, they just send the minimum higher-level information that's actually needed, like "PlayerA changed direction 72 degrees" (over-simplification, of course). And they send it to a client that'll never insist on crap like interpreted JS or open-for-interpretation standards. And when there's a technology that's inadequate for their needs, like TCP, they make a proper replacement instead of hacking in a half-assed "solution" on top of the offender, TCP. And it works great even though those programs have visuals that are *far* more complex than a typical GUI app. So why can't a windowing toolkit be extended to do the same? And do so *without* building it on top such warped, crumbling, mis-engineered foundations as (X)HTML, Ajax, etc.?

This is generally true, although see OnLive (http://www.onlive.com/).  I hear it works better than you'd expect, but don't have much interest in actually trying it.
October 13, 2009
Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:07:34 -0700, Walter Bright thusly wrote:

> Yigal Chripun wrote:
>> regarding working on a remote machine: you can mount a remote file system through ssh and work localy on that remoted filesystem.
> 
> I do that sometimes, but it's a problem when trying to run the compiler/debugger, as they need to run on the remote machine, not just locally <g>.
> 
> Also, mounting a remote filesystem fails on Windows. I know, that really sux. At least putty works.
> 
> (10 years ago, I wired up every room in the house with two RG6 cables and two Cat5 cables while it was under construction. Did it myself because the electrical contractor had no idea how to handle high frequency wires, I had to rip all his stuff out and do it over. I had no use for it at the time. I'm sure glad now it was done, everything I have seems to want to plug in to it! Anyhow, I have several machines with different OSs on them on the lan, and ssh to run them from a central location.)

Lucky you. Couple of friends of mine chose the 'data cabling' option from the electrical contractor for their new homes (maybe 2-3 years ago) when they were under construction. The rails on the wall were equipped with RJ11 connectors! Totally useless for LAN, but ok for phone cables and thus xDSL. Another note -- I would use virtualization these days when several OSs are needed.
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