On 3/24/2016 9:34 AM, Bruno Medeiros wrote:
> Alternatively, some software allows seeing the edit history of a post, so there
> is always that as a fallback if someone where to edit inappropriately.

Having public display of the edit history defeats the purpose of being able to edit it.

(Sometimes people email me asking me to delete their posts, which I will do. Of course, I can only delete them on the server. The NNTP posts that already went out are not fixable.)

On Thursday, 24 March 2016 at 19:48:42 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
> Haha, reddit would be unusable without tree threading.

Reddit IS unusable BECAUSE of its tree threading.


It is virtually impossible to find new posts on Reddit. At least with NNTP your client will do things like bold the unread ones and offer a jump to functionality. Reddit lacks even that, making it pure trash and impossible to follow.

On 3/24/2016 9:34 AM, Bruno Medeiros wrote:
>> BTW, the distributed nature of NNTP I regard as a major asset. The
>> aggregate of the forum posts are an immense resource for D, and having
>> it in a central location in a proprietary format is pretty risky.
> Discourse is free & open: http://www.discourse.org/ , so there are none of those
> issues.

Not what I meant.

1. I meant the message content is distributed, and so is resistant to loss. I have a current copy on my disk, for example.

2. Even if the file format is embedded in free and open software, someone would have to write code to view it. NNTP can be viewed by any text editor. It's very resistant to becoming unreadable 20 years from now.


> But most shortcomings of NNTP are innate and cannot be addressed, not in a
> proper way.

The only shortcoming of NNTP that is not innate are editing/deleting posts, and:

1. this is of debatable merit

2. there are methods discussed here of having them short-term editable

and NNTP has innate advantages that are not easily dismissed:

1. The distributed nature of it (as discussed) makes it like git. In fact, there are a lot of interesting parallels between github/git and DFeed/NNTP.

2. Different people have different preferences - NNTP clients are quite diverse. Forum software - one size fits all.

3. NNTP clients are available everywhere (although the ones on mobile devices stink).

On 3/24/2016 1:08 PM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
> On Thursday, 24 March 2016 at 19:48:42 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
>> Haha, reddit would be unusable without tree threading.
>
> Reddit IS unusable BECAUSE of its tree threading.
>
>
> It is virtually impossible to find new posts on Reddit. At least with NNTP your
> client will do things like bold the unread ones and offer a jump to
> functionality. Reddit lacks even that, making it pure trash and impossible to
> follow.

I agree that Reddit has its problems, foremost of which it is impractical to visit a thread and look for what's new since you looked at it last time.

On Thursday, 24 March 2016 at 20:25:29 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
> I agree that Reddit has its problems, foremost of which it is impractical to visit a thread and look for what's new since you looked at it last time.

You have to pay money for that feature.

On Thursday, 24 March 2016 at 16:06:15 UTC, Abdulhaq wrote:
> I have to say I agree that, for better or for worse, this thread alone demonstrates an occasional aggressiveness that puts me off, never mind women who are, generally speaking, less likely to weather the tone of voice often used here.
>
> Karabuta seems to be a non-native English speaker and got laid into for using the wrong word for women. He took the lashing in good spirits but it doesn't bode well for the thinner skinned who might otherwise have a valuable contribution to make.

The thread itself strengthened Karabuta's core message, didn't it? :-)

Unfortunately, I am not sure if there are anyone in the D community that would make a good objective moderator, so I am not sure exactly how it can be fixed other than these occasional "storming" threads that end with an appeal to self-moderation.

I find the Donald Trump phenomena to be an unpleasant reminder that there are certain aspects of our male culture that we men need to address both in ourselves and in others. I somehow doubt that a woman could act the same way as Trump does and get a 40% approval rating for it.

On Thursday, 24 March 2016 at 19:52:53 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
> On 3/24/2016 7:13 AM, Iain Buclaw via Digitalmars-d wrote:
>> But then again I've never written a spell checker, so wouldn't
>> know. :-)
>
> dmd has a spell checker built in. (!)

Wait...what? Could you elaborate on that?

On 03/24/2016 01:58 PM, cym13 wrote:
> On Thursday, 24 March 2016 at 19:52:53 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
>> On 3/24/2016 7:13 AM, Iain Buclaw via Digitalmars-d wrote:
>>> But then again I've never written a spell checker, so wouldn't
>>> know. :-)
>>
>> dmd has a spell checker built in. (!)
>
> Wait...what? Could you elaborate on that?

I think he means the suggestion feature:

void main() {
    int female;
    male = 42;
}

Error: undefined identifier 'male', did you mean variable 'female'?

Ali

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 08:30:39PM +0000, Jack Stouffer via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> On Thursday, 24 March 2016 at 20:25:29 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
> >I agree that Reddit has its problems, foremost of which it is impractical to visit a thread and look for what's new since you looked at it last time.
> 
> You have to pay money for that feature.

While it comes for free on threaded mail/nntp readers.


T

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On Thursday, 24 March 2016 at 20:57:22 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote:
> The thread itself strengthened Karabuta's core message, didn't it? :-)
>
> Unfortunately, I am not sure if there are anyone in the D community that would make a good objective moderator, so I am not sure exactly how it can be fixed other than these occasional "storming" threads that end with an appeal to self-moderation.
>
> I find the Donald Trump phenomena to be an unpleasant reminder that there are certain aspects of our male culture that we men need to address both in ourselves and in others. I somehow doubt that a woman could act the same way as Trump does and get a 40% approval rating for it.

If only one could somehow engineer societies (males? - that seems to be the problem) meeting your standards.